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    I wonder if this trip to France could have anything to do with procurement planning over the next few years? Could there be some EBRC Jaguar's rolling across the Curragh Plains in the near future?

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    Last edited by ODIN; 7 December 2022, 15:03.
    What are you cackling at, fatty? Too much pie, that's your problem.

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    I thought the exact same myself. There has also been a lot of love at the political level with Michael Martin meeting Macron on several occasions throughout the year and relations between the two countries constantly improving since Brexit. I suspect the Italians would love to throw a Centauro shaped spinner in the works if they can. The exact wording of any RFT for a direct fire support/heavy recon vehicle will reveal a lot.

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    • #3
      Given the commercial truck DNA in the vehicle, it might make qualifying drivers an easier process.
      What are you cackling at, fatty? Too much pie, that's your problem.

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      • #4
        ...and the winner of the most faded combats of the year is....second left.........these days, the tender is put in and the court documents are printed at the same time, just in case.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by GoneToTheCanner View Post
          ...and the winner of the most faded combats of the year is....second left.........these days, the tender is put in and the court documents are printed at the same time, just in case.
          Thems french combats.
          I used french raingear while a Panhard Passenger. Nobody noticed.
          For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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          • #6
            ...because everyone else was wearing second or third hand combats, self included. I had an American M65 set and a friend had a Sidcot suit for when it got really cold. Cork FCA looked like a refugee column and that was on a good day.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by GoneToTheCanner View Post
              ...because everyone else was wearing second or third hand combats, self included. I had an American M65 set and a friend had a Sidcot suit for when it got really cold. Cork FCA looked like a refugee column and that was on a good day.
              Oh no, not in the late noughties. Everyone had been issued pool DPM by then but getting it in your size could be challenging. When on a turret you need something not too baggy so it won't get caught on things as you try to enter/leave. French waterproof leggings had zips on the side so you could take them off without getting them stuck on your boots.

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              For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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              • #8
                Nice jacket, looks useful

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by ODIN View Post
                  I wonder if this trip to France could have anything to do with procurement planning over the next few years? Could there be some EBRC Jaguar's rolling across the Curragh Plains in the near future?

                  I would say it's very unlikely as the recommendation made is to have a common platform.
                  The Infantry is the primary operator of armoured vehicles and the APC is the main armoured vehicle so secondly operators like the Cav seeking support vehicles will select a vehicle based of that platform.

                  Originally posted by ODIN View Post
                  Given the commercial truck DNA in the vehicle, it might make qualifying drivers an easier process.

                  I don't see any logic in that.

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                  • #10
                    who knows, maybe a few Caesars might appear...if they havent all being flogged /given to Ukraine. More than a little past due.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Rhodes View Post

                      I would say it's very unlikely as the recommendation made is to have a common platform.
                      The Infantry is the primary operator of armoured vehicles and the APC is the main armoured vehicle so secondly operators like the Cav seeking support vehicles will select a vehicle based of that platform.
                      The Mowag, while a very capable vehicle, is not best suited to Recce, after all, it is an APC. The Cavalry role and Infantry roles are very different, so different equipment will be needed. This would be like limiting the Drop Shorts to 60mm Mortars as that is what is sitting in Infantry Stores.


                      Originally posted by Rhodes View Post

                      I don't see any logic in that
                      I'll concede, my logic was not well thought out on this point.
                      What are you cackling at, fatty? Too much pie, that's your problem.

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                      • #12
                        I'd imagine procurement is already looking past the PIII. Common platform is great in theory but it might be too much of a compromise for some use cases.

                        Logistical savings are great but you can only sacrifice so much operational capability for them. Also you might find an offering of a different drivetrain, chassis but with common electricals, sensors etc. It's never all or nothing.

                        If Paul G is right about the 40mm on the jaguar being bespoke it would almost certainly end up regunned for export.

                        If the French were making a sales push you'd have to imagine that they'd swing for multiple parts of the Scorpion family with a view to the eventual replacement of the PIII.
                        "It is a general popular error to imagine that loudest complainers for the public to be the most anxious for it's welfare" Edmund Burke

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                        • #13
                          There is massive commonality between all the vehicles in the EBRC family as all are based on (I believe) a Renault truck 6 wheel platform. The scorpion is the armoured car with 40mm gun plus 2 atgm with 2 reloads carried in the hull. The APC is based on the same chassis with many identical parts and is called Griffon. The Griffon is Stanag level 4 (same as the Mowags) Carries 8 dismounts and is armed with a REmote weapons station that can be fitted with .50 cal or HMG launcher etc same as the Mowags. Griffon however will be unpopular with some as it doesn’t look as aggressive as a Mowag because of its big ass windscreen. Griffon is supposed to be cheap. Belgium and France have ordered plenty of both (and other variants)
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                          • #14
                            Lets also not forget the VBMR-L Serval. Could be a replacement for the current garage queen fleet of RG-32M Outriders.

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                            What are you cackling at, fatty? Too much pie, that's your problem.

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                            • #15
                              Serval is Huge tho. Will take a while before they'll be offering them for export.

                              For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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