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  • #16
    The white paper put forward the idea of maintaining the army as a "light infantry brigade" structure. That gives them a cop out clause for anything approaching heavy weaponry.


    Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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    • #17
      thats true, but the point still needs to be made about properly equiping the DF with up to date epuipment and vehicles.

      the cav may only have a light recce role, etc. but you're a brave man to drive round in an AML20 nowadays.

      there's no point outlining the DF's roles, direction for the future in white papers and so on if you are not going to give the DF the resources and equipment to be able to carry out these roles ( or at least be able to survive to do these roles ).

      as i've said the gov will not invest in the DF substancially. its easy to write a white paper outlining that the DF will be based on a light infantry brigade as that involves the least amount of expense. the army has always effectively been a light infantry army. trouble with that is it is a few decades behind the times!
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      • #18
        We're Irish. While others work best with the best equipment, we work best with the worst. Hell, guerilla tactics are in our blood. Its always been the way and always will be.

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        • #19
          As I said, the White paper gave the government a lot of opt out clauses for re equipping. Sadly the fact that the security situation of the time of its creation has no relevence to the situation today, almost 6 years later, seems lost on the experts. I look forward to 2010, when we can disregard the bogroll that was the white paper, and release the DF of the shaclkes that bind it to a light infantry force with no more than 8 naval vessels, and no air superiority capacity.
          But until then, we will have to make the best of what we can get.


          Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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          • #20
            If the DF are committed to having 3 (6 if you include the RDF) LI Bdes, they should buy enough guns to provide artillery support to 3/6 Bdes at the same time.

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            • #21
              But you have mortars....
              They wanted to replace artillery with an expanded support company type affair, as was the case in the Lebanon.


              Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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              • #22
                AFAIK, the Canadians use their old 6x6 Mowags to tow their GIAT LG-1 Mk-II 105mm howitzers.
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                • #23
                  Here we go:


                  Their guns lighter than the DF's though.
                  "The dolphins were monkeys that didn't like the land, walked back to the water, went back from the sand."

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by FMolloy
                    Here we go:
                    FMolloy, the pic doesn't show...
                    In any case, yes in some instances the LG-1 can be towed by a Grizzly (CDN version of Mowag 6x6 APC, also called AVGP) as seen here: http://www.armyimages.forces.gc.ca/s...ng_detail_ie_1

                    A small quantity of the old Grizzlies are being refitted for different roles, as explained here:http://www.army.forces.gc.ca/lf/Engl...=19&uSection=1
                    Last edited by Jungle; 8 January 2006, 14:05.
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                    • #25
                      Fixed.
                      "The dolphins were monkeys that didn't like the land, walked back to the water, went back from the sand."

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by X-RayOne
                        nice video, how many rounds can that 105 carry in comparision to our towed 105s?

                        maybe this is the future for our arty corps. batteries of guns like this. highly mobile, armoured and able to set up, fire, manovuer, and keep up with the infantry.
                        Wouldn' t that be basic doctrine for a war of manouvre????
                        i.e. Mechanised infantry, cav screen out front arty behind infy to shellack the shite out of any hardpoints of resistance????
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Bosco
                          Wouldn' t that be basic doctrine for a war of manouvre????
                          i.e. Mechanised infantry, cav screen out front arty behind infy to shellack the shite out of any hardpoints of resistance????
                          Artillery doesn't need to be 2 feet behind the last infantryman to support the infantry. Before artillery can set up a new firing position has to be found and surveyed, which takes time. This can be happening as far as 10km behind the infantry, and the artillery can still support them. In addition, the principle of fire and maneuver applies to artillery units - one is set up and ready to fire on any targets within range, another is moving, providing constant cover both for eachother and the infantry they are supporting.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by FMolloy
                            AFAIK, the Canadians use their old 6x6 Mowags to tow their GIAT LG-1 Mk-II 105mm howitzers.
                            Maybe it would be a good job for the Timoneys?
                            Meh.

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                            • #29
                              It might have been if they hadn't been retired.
                              "The dolphins were monkeys that didn't like the land, walked back to the water, went back from the sand."

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by FMolloy
                                It might have been if they hadn't been retired.
                                And become targets for anti armour weapons...


                                Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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