Artillery pieces on armoured vehicles?

[The Blue Max]

What about the likes of the Timoney Bushmaster LATVs/APVs they have the capability to be a "Armoured" Gun Tractor aswell fulling roles that would be standard of second line vechicle e.g Arty CP or Armoured Personal Vechicle (which could transport gun crews,ammo aswell as comms base etc in one vechicle type this vechicle could also provide to the likes of the Infantry services inculding LATV-MATV,I.S Vechicle, Eng support vechicle and a small armoured logestic vechicles for the likes of the LSB. REALLY AN ON ISLAND SMALL APC FOR TRAINING AND OPERATIONAL DUTIES

This is just an alternative idea to that of spending 1.5million on the likes of a dedicated Mowag gun tractor when a just as good platform could be procured for about 500000EUR and would satidft the LATV (Possible MATV requiremant instead) . " This Is Just Food For Taught"

[Goldie fish]

Its true that the LATV plan is going to have to be re-thought. If there is nothing on the market that fits the requirment, then perhaps the requirment needs to be changed to suit whats available?

BA are not happy with the Panther(Iveco LATV) as it carries less troops than the soft skin vehicle it replaced. Some Units(RA) have decided to retain their ancient FV432 instead of taking the Panther. They believe Wheeled armour is the way to go(but not a Saxon)

[kiwi1]

Hi all from NZ just thought i would add my 2 cents worth, have you guys considered the pinzgauer vehicles for the Irish defence forces.NZ army is taking delievery of 320 vehicles in six versions including 60 armoured types,all are six wheel drive.The British army is getting them too and the aussies are keen to replace their older landrovers with bushmaster/pinzgauer types.

[andy]

I think the Timoney Bushmaster would be an excellent purchase. It would solve an awful lot of problems for the DF and be reasonably cheap. The nissan is a joke.

[Bosco]

Artillery doesn't need to be 2 feet behind the last infantryman to support the infantry. Before artillery can set up a new firing position has to be found and surveyed, which takes time. This can be happening as far as 10km behind the infantry, and the artillery can still support them. In addition, the principle of fire and maneuver applies to artillery units - one is set up and ready to fire on any targets within range, another is moving, providing constant cover both for eachother and the infantry they are supporting.

Oh right my Knowledge of arty ie a big FAT 0

[Goldie fish]

Hi all from NZ just thought i would add my 2 cents worth, have you guys considered the pinzgauer vehicles for the Irish defence forces.NZ army is taking delievery of 320 vehicles in six versions including 60 armoured types,all are six wheel drive.The British army is getting them too and the aussies are keen to replace their older landrovers with bushmaster/pinzgauer types.

Are the NZ army not suffering some noise problems with these? Given our recent history (army deafness) probably not a good choice.

[pym]

Apparently so, but theyre still saying it's mobility and reliability make it a better vehicle than the hmmvvv.

[kiwi1]

Hi all from NZ again, yes we have had teething problems with the pinzgauer's but the sources i have spoken to from the NZ Army are more than happy with its overall performance ie. much better than Land Rovers/Humvees and are looking to have a good service life.

[GoneToTheCanner]

Hi all
What about those Czech Dana wheeled artillery systems? As far as I know, they are based on the reliable Tatra chassis. Or even the South African Ratels or Brazilian EE series? If the Bosses are so loved-up on wheeled armour only, they should try some of that stuff, a lot of which is combat-proven. Especially the S. African stuff with it's high survivability against mines.
regards
GttC

[The Blue Max]

Personsally I would prefer the to see the Army Operate a True Military Spec Nissian Patrol (*As we have upgraded civilian version) they are excellenent in there current roles for there everydays duties such as ATCP Operations/Work though they can leave abit to be desire on rough terrain i would prefer them to old Landrovers i presume Pinzguaghers had similiar problem to the Landrovers i.e with troops situated in the back they got the nickname "Fume Coffins" due to the amount of petrol/diesel fumes which the troops would have to suffer from when the vechicle was at a stop as well they were known as bone-shackers and also as they were open to the elements with there canvas covers left the soldier feeling more drained as he was more open to the climate conditions then it was ever with the Nissian Patrols while preforming patrols or escorts. I would prefer to see more Military Spec Nissian Patrol Jeeps Instead of Upgraded Civiliain Models..

[Goldie fish]

Ant at risk of drifting off topic, what exactly is a military spec nissan patrol?

[hptmurphy]

A green one????

[The Blue Max]

I ask the same question and appartently Nissan produce a range of Military Spec Vechicles I was in formed by several military personnal from Several sources from a vast range of corps inculding two people i had met previous from DFHQ that the model of Nissan Patrol Jeep/Wagan we currently utilize is a upgraded civilian model which is upgraded by "Mangans Of Edenderry For Radios (FFR Standard)

Appartently the Full Spec military and quite abit more expensive and are that more robust and better built i.e will stand up rougher treatment and terrain i think they come a capability for add on armour (Still to be clarified) these are info i have to hand about this version of the Nissan And How it is the supposed Military Spec One that is availible from there range of vechicles.

[California Tanker]

Ratel and the Engesa EE-s are not artillery systems in the same vein as Dana/Zusana.

My Big Boy's Book of Shooty Things has the following listed as wheeled SPGs:

Dana/Zusana 155/152mm(Tatra 8x8 truck)
CAESAR 155mm on a Unimog 6x6
Centauro 155mm. It's the B1 Centauro rebuilt with a howitzer. Prototype only.
G-6 155mm. Custom-built chassis.
Bofors 155mm FH-77 (VME-825 6x6 truck)

And a bunch of wheeled mortar carriers.

NTM

[The Blue Max]

I think it would hard to see the Army operating such a type as the LAV-105 i think the future of the Armoured Mobile Artillery lies in either two forms either a Small Dedicated Cadre Unit based with the Artillery School The Curragh Camp.

-Operating AMOS 120mm Mortar System On The Mowag Pirianha Chassis (6-8 Units For As Deployable Assets Overseas/ Operational Coversion Unit "OCU" at home it would help with logistics as co-located 3rd Bn B Coy Traing Depot and Mowag Repair Workshops etc..)

-Or A Slightly More Up-Armoured Mortar Platform Could take the Shape Of 81mm Mortar Carrier Of a LATV i.e Mowag Eagle Mk4 Or either 81/120mm Mortar Carrier in a MATVs such as the Timoneys Bushmaster These Vechicles Would Offer Increased protection,Mobility,Speed For Mortar Crews etc..

Personnally I think it would great to see Armoured Mortar Carriers On The Mowag as it would be a great addition a Amoured Long Range Patrol "A.L.R.Ps" and Would Offer Coy Cmdrs alot more increased fire support if the need arose in like of PSO Operations i.e Liberia Scenarios etc...