Need for CIT Air Cover?

[thebig C]

One of the major roles of the Cessna (and its replacement) is/will be ATCP (namely cash/prisoner escorts).

Given the much improved security situation, is there a need to continue aerial cover for cash and prisoner movements?

[Goldie fish]

What improved security situation exactly? Last time I checked Cash In transit was still being robbed, and prisoners were still attempting to escape....
Just because they don't wrap the tricolour around themselves does not mean that they aren't prone to a bit of gun crime.

[thebig C]

police matter?

What improved security situation exactly? Last time I checked Cash In transit was still being robbed, and prisoners were still attempting to escape....
Just because they don't wrap the tricolour around themselves does not mean that they aren't prone to a bit of gun crime.

But wouldn't they just be ordinary criminals, in it just for the money or whatever, rather than trying to subvert the State or some other paramilitary/subversive/political aim? In which case it's a police matter, not a question of defending the State? The other point of course is that the Gardai now have their own aircraft...

BTW, I don't recall any recent robberies of cash in transit, when it was escorted by a section of soldiers.

[DeV]

But wouldn't they just be ordinary criminals, in it just for the money or whatever, rather than trying to subvert the State or some other paramilitary/subversive/political aim? In which case it's a police matter, not a question of defending the State? The other point of course is that the Gardai now have their own aircraft...

BTW, I don't recall any recent robberies of cash in transit, when it was escorted by soldiers.

All crime (whether subversive or ordinary criminal (as you put it)) is the responsibility of the Gardai. When the DF is doing duties such as escorts, EOD, etc it is at the express request of the Garda Siochana, usually because they don't have the resources to do it themselves.

The Gardai have had their own aircraft for a number of years, they don't have enough to do the job.

Do you ever think that the reason why there hasn't been an attempted robbery on cash escorted by the DF recently, is the fact that it was being escorted by armed troops???

[thebig C]

top cover

....... Do you ever think that the reason why there hasn't been an attempted robbery on cash escorted by the DF recently, is the fact that it was being escorted by armed troops???

Yes, of course, that's precisely my point: why do you need aerial cover as well?

[FMolloy]

Yes, of course, that's precisely my point: why do you need aerial cover as well?

Why do you think it's not necessary & do you have any relevent experience in the field of security that you're basing your opinons on?

[FMolloy]

But wouldn't they just be ordinary criminals, in it just for the money or whatever, rather than trying to subvert the State or some other paramilitary/subversive/political aim?

Would that make them any less dangerous & the need for such cover any less necessary?

The other point of course is that the Gardai now have their own aircraft...

They have three, hardly enough to carry out their current operations & take over from the army in this role.

BTW, I don't recall any recent robberies of cash in transit, when it was escorted by a section of soldiers.

There's been no attempts on cash vans while they've been escorted by the Army, but who's to say this won't be attempted in the future? Organised criminal gangs have become more brazen, and there are now non-national gangs who are used to more 'robust' policing & might think an escorted van is a soft touch.

The Gardaí & Army still think it's necessary for air cover to accompany certain escorts, as long as this is the case the cover should continue.

[GoneToTheCanner]

hi there
If the guards can't even provide a token service with two helis and a patrol aircraft, maybe it's time they (a) got divorced from the Air Corps and run the air operation themselves (b) shake up their act and sort out why they need a logistically-unsound fleet of three different types(c) get some expertise in from overseas to teach them how to.
they are well justified in breaking away from the Don.
regards
GttC

[hedgehog]

This thread is totally wrong

its verging on stuff that

shouldnt be discussed on an open forum

It should be binned and confined to the delete basket

[The real Jack]

carrington all the information you could possibly want about the air cover for CIT's was in the december/january issue of An Cosantóir. Why do you have to ask so many questions that have allready been answered before?

[Barry]

carrington all the information you could possibly want about the air cover for CIT's was in the december/january issue of An Cosantóir. Why do you have to ask so many questions that have allready been answered before?

What he said.

This thread is totally wrong

its verging on stuff that

shouldnt be discussed on an open forum

It should be binned and confined to the delete basket

I concur. Locked. Further attempts to start another thread on the subject will be met with points.