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    In the British Army Air Corps, as you probably know, "...almost two-thirds of AAC aircrew are non-commissioned officers. Within the Army, NCOs, of at least LCpl rank with a recommendation for promotion, from within the AAC and from the remainder of the Army may also apply for pilot training. NCO pilots spend the majority of their service flying and many go on to be commissioned as Officers, normally to fill specialist flying appointments such as flying instructors." (from army website)

    Any reason why this shouldn't happen here too? (We follow their example when it comes to swords..... )

  • #2
    As far as i know air corps has more than enough pilots at the moment to meet its requirements and does not need a surplus, apparently this year only 4 air corps cadets are being taken on due to this fact.
    Barney: Hello, my name is Barney Gumble, and I'm an alcoholic.
    Lisa: Mr Gumble, this is a girl scouts meeting.
    Barney: Is it, or is it you girls can't admit that you have a problem?

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    • #3
      long-term not short-term

      Originally posted by a04bf527 View Post
      As far as i know air corps has more than enough pilots at the moment to meet its requirements and does not need a surplus, apparently this year only 4 air corps cadets are being taken on due to this fact.
      Have Aer Lingus and Ryanair stopped hiring?

      The suggestion was not intended to address a short-term shortage of pilots; it was more about a longer-term change to provide job and career opportunities for NCOs.

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      • #4
        first he wants to get rid of their swords....now he wants to get rid of officers flying.....

        my god man.....just don't take their sam brownes!!!!

        (next on his target list could be the CoS position...why have officers at all???)
        Fate whispers to the warrior, "There is a storm coming"

        And the warrior whispers back "I am the storm".

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        • #5
          who is this chap

          he has an opinion on everything

          I wonder is it a version of me

          come back from the future to warn us all
          Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
          Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
          The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
          The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
          The best lack all conviction, while the worst
          Are full of passionate intensity.

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          • #6
            Opinions on everything - yes,

            logical reasoning - sometimes, more often than not, debatable,

            Coherent justification and supporting proof of argument, minimal

            Sounds like HH from the past, present and future
            Last edited by ZULU; 15 April 2007, 22:03.
            "The Question is not: how far you will take this? The Question is do you possess the constitution to go as far as is needed?"

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            • #7
              logical reasoning - sometimes, more often than not, debatable,

              Coherent justification and supporting proof of argument, minimal
              I wouldnt say that

              the lad makes some valid points

              on everything from Naval Vessels to Air Corp pilots and swords

              but its good to see enthusasism and passion
              Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
              Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
              The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
              The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
              The best lack all conviction, while the worst
              Are full of passionate intensity.

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              • #8
                Flight Sgt.?

                If RAF Sergeants were good enough to fly Spitfires and Lancasters during WWII, and British Army Air Corps pilots today are mostly NCOs, is there some good reason why selected, trained Irish Air Corps NCOs could not fly any of the aircraft in the current inventory?

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                • #9
                  I be only messing,

                  Carrington, Im piss-taking, no offence intended
                  "The Question is not: how far you will take this? The Question is do you possess the constitution to go as far as is needed?"

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by ZULU View Post
                    I be only messing,

                    Carrington, Im piss-taking, no offence intended
                    Hey, none taken, no problem..

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                    • #11
                      this idea has had air time before, maybe on franks site. there are plenty of guys in the don with PPL's so it's not as if the EM aren't interested in flying, and are willing to pay to do it. It's more a political choice and i don't mean government level
                      It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you have.

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                      • #12
                        The Term isnt EM

                        its OR

                        for other Ranks
                        Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
                        Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
                        The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
                        The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
                        The best lack all conviction, while the worst
                        Are full of passionate intensity.

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                        • #13
                          NCO apache pilots

                          Originally posted by spike View Post
                          this idea has had air time before, maybe on franks site. there are plenty of guys in the don with PPL's so it's not as if the EM aren't interested in flying, and are willing to pay to do it. It's more a political choice and i don't mean government level

                          :confused: I wonder how they can stand over that "political choice", with NCOs flying Apaches in the British and U.S. Armies, and in the U.S. they fly Chinooks also.

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                          • #14
                            NCOs can't fire nuclear weapons, but apart from that...

                            from the UK National Audit Office report on Battlefield Helicopters, April 2004

                            “…..The Royal Navy and the Royal Air Force have not always
                            excluded non-officer pilots. The policy was introduced
                            in the 1950s when the two Services assumed
                            responsibility for delivering nuclear weaponry, although
                            only fixed-wing aircraft and anti-submarine helicopters
                            actually carried such weapons. It was assumed that only
                            an officer would have the requisite decision-making
                            abilities and authority to drop nuclear munitions. The
                            phasing out of the Royal Navy's nuclear depth charges
                            and the Royal Air Force's nuclear bombs has, however,
                            removed this rationale for excluding other ranks from
                            becoming pilots.

                            The distinction in aircrew ranks between the Services has
                            also partly been justified on the grounds that the
                            helicopters of the Army Air Corps have been less complex
                            to fly. This argument, however, does not appear to have
                            the same strength with the introduction into service of the
                            Apache Mk1, which is a highly complex helicopter. The
                            ratio between non-commissioned and commissioned
                            officers in an Apache regiment will be 62:38.

                            In addition, it is difficult to see why a non commissioned
                            officer could not fly a larger support aircraft, such as the
                            Chinook. Indeed, the Joint Helicopter Command has
                            experimented with this in the "Templar" exchange
                            programme where a senior non-commissioned officer
                            from the Army Air Corps was seconded to a squadron
                            flying Chinooks. Moreover, Puma and CH-53 support
                            helicopters are piloted by non-commissioned officers in
                            France and Germany, respectively….”

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                            • #15
                              We did have sergeant pilots during the Emergency or that which was called WW2 else where....flying staus was changed to fficers only soon afterwards.
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