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  • #16
    Originally posted by hedgehog View Post
    I never knew you were a member of the royal family


    Sadly not, Im very good friends with a crew member. :wink:

    If Im allowed to by the Mods, I'll post an interior shot. There are no per sec issues with it.

    Goldie, I'll never know, someone might recognise me over here, lol.
    Last edited by pmtts; 26 February 2008, 22:32.

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    • #17
      Hi there
      We were under strict instructions not to touch the Royal Flight aircraft, in the 80s/90s, not even to place chocks at the wheels.The first crewman off did that.We were absolutely forbidden to go near the aircraft, which was strictly enforced, not even for the usual photos or nose-around of visiting foreign aircraft.RAF staff did the refuelling themselves.
      When the men in black arrived, they usually took over a hangar or the gym and everyone was excluded, unless they had the direct authorisation to be there from the GoC Air Corps.
      On a few occasions, aircraft originating from Norn Iron were locked into a hangar and guarded (even, on at least one occasion, by armed RAF aircrew.Saw it myself) and aboslutely nobody was allowed in, except the MiBs and the RAF crews.
      The State can put on quite heavy security when it wants to.
      regards
      GttC

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      • #18
        GttC,

        Here is a shot of the interior. Thanks to FMolloy for the permission.

        For obvious reasons I will not go into detail as to who sits where and in what section of the aircraft.

        Last edited by pmtts; 27 February 2008, 00:08.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by pmtts View Post
          For obvious reasons I will not go into detail as to who sits where and in what section of the aircraft.
          I bet the pilots sit up front! :D

          Just watch for when its Prince Charles, he's know for putting the aircraft down hard ... and breaking it
          Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. Margaret Mead

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          • #20
            you swine victor

            you robbed my joke

            I demand satisfaction
            Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
            Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
            The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
            The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
            The best lack all conviction, while the worst
            Are full of passionate intensity.

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            • #21
              OK, second answer. The fat people sit in big seats, the not so fat people sit in the standard seats. Except for the guy sitting next to you.
              Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. Margaret Mead

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Victor View Post

                Just watch for when its Prince Charles, he's know for putting the aircraft down hard ... and breaking it
                Yehh but it was the poor Captain that got the rap for it, not Charlie!.

                Prince Charles was not blamed because, despite holding the RAF rank of group captain, he was regarded as a passenger who was invited to fly the aircraft. The inquiry can pass judgement on the crew.

                It was not in dispute, however, that the Prince was at the controls of the BAe 146 when it landed awkwardly and too fast in high winds on the Isle of Islay. slewed off the Port Ellen runway and came to a halt with its nose buried in mud. Six crew and five passengers were on board but no one was injured.

                The RAF report concluded the jet was flying 32 knots (40mph) too fast when it crossed the runway threshold. Only 509m (557yds) of the 1,245m-long (1,362yd) strip remained when all the aircraft's wheels touched down, causing a tyre to burst and another to deflate.


                The captain, Squadron Leader Graham Laurie, was negligent "in the final stages of the flight".

                Charlie since then has not got behind the controls of any Royal Flight aircraft!.
                Last edited by pmtts; 27 February 2008, 21:40.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by pmtts View Post
                  Yehh but it was the poor Captain that got the rap for it, not Charlie!.


                  The captain, Squadron Leader Graham Laurie, was negligent "in the final stages of the flight".

                  Charlie since then has not got behind the controls of any Royal Flight aircraft!.

                  What happened to Squadron Leader Laurie?

                  Cold, dank, stone walled room with a fine view of the Thames?

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Orion View Post
                    What happened to Squadron Leader Laurie?


                    Im aware that in 2007 he was ex- Squadron Leader Laurie!.

                    He continued to fly after the incident but may have lost the position of an instructing or supervising pilot.
                    Last edited by pmtts; 27 February 2008, 22:50.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by pmtts View Post
                      Im aware that in 2007 he was ex- Squadron Leader Laurie!.

                      He continued to fly after the incident but may have lost the position of an instructing or supervising pilot.
                      He must have been fairly senior (length of service wise) to have been posted to the Royal Flight. It would be a shame if his record was blemished by an incident for which he very probably had zero control.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by pmtts View Post
                        Well heres my ugly mut on the stairs of ZE701 at RAF Northolt!.

                        I cant see the dog! the camo must be good!!

                        mut = hound dog

                        mug = face, fizzog, etc, etc,

                        Connaught Stranger

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                        • #27
                          Hi there
                          From what I've read, Charles turned in his own license as a tacit admittance that it had been his fault.Unfortunately, Laurie took the hit because he did not intervene sooner.Still, there's always civvie flying...
                          regards
                          GttC

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                          • #28
                            I know it's easy to be wise after the event, but Charlie as an experiended pilot should have just gone around and had another attempt at the landing or hand control to Laurie for the second attempt, rather than trying to make the landing. Nothing more useless then runway behind you and your wheels not yet down when landing !!!

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Flyboy View Post
                              I know it's easy to be wise after the event, but Charlie as an experiended pilot should have just gone around and had another attempt at the landing or hand control to Laurie for the second attempt, rather than trying to make the landing. Nothing more useless then runway behind you and your wheels not yet down when landing !!!
                              Somewhere on the net is the full RAF Board of Inquiry report. It makes for interesting reading and it's in pdf format.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Orion View Post
                                What happened to Squadron Leader Laurie? Cold, dank, stone walled room with a fine view of the Thames?
                                He took the rap for his principal, surely he should have been given a nice cushy job driving a desk?
                                Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. Margaret Mead

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