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    Government jet not to be replaced

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2003/0723/jet.html

    July 23, 2003

    (19:40) The cabinet has decided not to proceed with plans to replace the Government jet.

    The decision to purchase a new jet was made in February, drawing criticism from the opposition.

    The Taoiseach, Bertie Ahern, recommended to today's cabinet meeting that the purchase should not proceed, in the context of the current spending review.

    The smaller Beechcraft aircraft will be replaced but this will be funded by savings in the defence budget.

    What does this last bit mean?
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    With 50,000 men getting killed a week, who's going to miss a pigeon?

    Guns don't kill people, bullets kill people.

  • #2
    It means that he's getting his new jet, but he's screwing the Defence budget to get the money.

    How much more savings can be made from Defense? Its turning into a joke.
    Keep the speed up...!

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    • #3
      Aerospace companies must be pissed off dealing with this government, they are gaining quite a reputation for cancelling tenders.

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      • #4
        This is Getting Rediculous!! The BeechCraft replacement Might aswell be a CASA trainer. That Can be used for other Roles (Mats is not included in that)

        Friends Come and Go, but Enemies accumulate!!

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        • #5
          A learjet 45 will be bought top replace the king air

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          • #6
            from defence-aerospace.com

            Government Decision on Purchase of Replacement Aircraft For Ministerial Air Transport Service

            (Source: Irish Ministry of Defence dated July 23, issued July 24, 2003)

            The Minister for Defence has announced that the Government has decided that it will not proceed with the purchase of a 40-seater jet to replace the existing Gulfstream IV.

            The Government has also decided to approve the purchase of a Learjet 45 (7-9 seater) aircraft as a replacement for the 23 year old Beechcraft Aircraft which was serving in a Ministerial Air Transport Service role, subject to the negotiation of satisfactory arrangements with the vendor. The Learjet 45, parts of which are made in Belfast, is manufactured by Bombardier Aerospace.

            Detailed negotiations with the successful tenderer will commence immediately and it is expected that an aircraft will be operational before the end of the year. The actual purchase price will be determined in the course of the negotiations.

            The purchase cost of the Learjet will be funded from savings on the Defence Vote for 2003.

            -ends-

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            • #7
              Are these savings resulting from theother contracts that were deferred for "economic reasons"? Ie were light tactical vehicles, new pistols etc. sacrificed for the sake of a new Learjet?
              Surely if this spare money is now to be found in the Defence budget, it could be spent on more important things..
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              With 50,000 men getting killed a week, who's going to miss a pigeon?

              Guns don't kill people, bullets kill people.

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              • #8
                Its not that the defence forces will have to field the EU RRF battalion at the end of this year equipped with unarmoured Nissan patrols instead of light tactical vehicles that provide adequate protection for their occupants to provide for this aircraft or anything like that. .
                Last edited by paul g; 26 July 2003, 14:40.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by paul g
                  Its not that the defence forces will have to field the EU RRF battalion at the end of this year equipped with unarmoured Nissan patrols instead of light tactical vehicles that provide adequate protection for their occupants to provide for this aircraft or anything like that. .
                  No, thank God. That would be criminal negligence, surely.

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                  • #10
                    Anyone notice that the article in todays Sunday Indo matches this thread closely, and was written by Dan Lavery, who has used material from here in stories before?

                    http://www.irishmilitaryonline.com/b...&threadid=1301
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                    With 50,000 men getting killed a week, who's going to miss a pigeon?

                    Guns don't kill people, bullets kill people.

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                    • #11
                      John

                      how could you be so cynical about the government, this new jet is needed vitally. Personally I think that it would be a good idea to have a competition. Perhaps mr Lavery, if he's reading, could arrange it with the Independent Newspapers group so it could be truely national, asking school children to write an essay abnout why a learjet 45 is more important than all the other things that have been defered from being acquired.

                      I've seen what TM-45 can do to a soft skin, and neither myself, Bertie or another member of the government is going to drive over a landmine in a Nissan patrol, but some member of the defence forces might.
                      Last edited by paul g; 28 July 2003, 19:13.

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                      • #12
                        ah yeah but think of the pensions savings they'll make by sending those nasty waqr mongers to their deaths.
                        "It is a general popular error to imagine that loudest complainers for the public to be the most anxious for it's welfare" Edmund Burke

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                        • #13
                          "ah yeah but think of the pensions savings they'll make by sending those nasty waqr mongers to their deaths"

                          Nope, not true, factually or otherwise.

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                          • #14
                            you always spoil my tabloidian jingoisms....and I should thank you for that.
                            Imagine beig quoted by Peter Howick, I feel sick
                            "It is a general popular error to imagine that loudest complainers for the public to be the most anxious for it's welfare" Edmund Burke

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                            • #15
                              Government to buy Bombardier jet

                              September 5, 2003

                              (17:32) It is understood the Government is likely to go ahead with the purchase of a new seven to nine-seater jet from Bombardier, despite the company having to ground a number of its aircraft.

                              The Department of Defence is confident that safety worries over the new jet will be resolved before the plane is delivered.

                              The 9 seater Learjet 45, manufactured by Canadian firm Bombardier, has been grounded in the United States because of a faulty part in the tail section.

                              But the Government says Bombardier have kept it fully informed of the difficulties, and have assured it that the problem will be resolved in time for the jet to be delivered before Ireland's EU Presidency begins in January.

                              The contract for the purchase of the Learjet has not yet been signed.

                              The jet is being bought to replace the existing Beechcraft aeroplane, which has been in service since 1980.

                              It will join the existing Government jet, a Gulfstream IV, in transporting ministers during the hectic Presidency schedule.

                              At the end of July, the Government decided not to go ahead with the purchase of a larger jet to replace the Gulfstream, which has been plagued by technical problems.

                              http://www.rte.ie/news/2003/0905/jet.html
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                              With 50,000 men getting killed a week, who's going to miss a pigeon?

                              Guns don't kill people, bullets kill people.

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