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  • Rotor leasing clean up on the Dauphins

    http://www.tribune.ie/news/article/2...y-helicopters/

    Taxpayer hit for €18m in sale of army helicopters

    FOUR Irish Defence Forces helicopters sold to a US company for just over ¤300,000 were later sold on to the Chilean navy for nearly ¤19m, the Sunday Tribune has learned.

    The deal represents a potential loss of ¤18m to the Irish taxpayer and comes on the heels of the revelation that Irish army Nissan patrol jeeps had been sold for just one cent.

    According to documents on the sale, supplied by the Department of Defence, the four AS365 Dauphin Helicopters, together with tools and spare parts, were sold in October, 2006 for ¤311,000.

    The purchaser, Rotor Leasing in Las Vegas, USA, transported them back to the US where they were refitted and repainted before undergoing a series of tests.

    The military trade paper Jane's Defence Weekly reported a US$24m (€18.7m) deal signed between the Chilean navy and Rotor Leasing for four Dauphin helicopters, last month. "The Chilean Navy signed for the procurement of four former Irish Air Corps Eurocopter AS365F Dauphin 2 helicopters at the end of August," the publication noted.

    "These helicopters are being acquired from a United States dealer – Rotor Leasing – in an agreement valued at US$24 million."

    A spokeswoman for the Department of Defence confirmed the resale of the aircraft but said the price they had received from Rotor Leasing was the highest possible.

    "They went out to international tender, we received four [tenders] and that was the highest price we could get. We heard that they were sold on; we are not aware of the exact price but we know it was in that region."

    According to departmental figures, Rotor Leasing paid just €77,750 per helicopter which were then sold on by Rotor Leasing for approximately €4.6m apiece, although some of this profit margin would have been reduced by the cost of refurbishment.

    As previously revealed in the Sunday Tribune, the sale of used vehicles by the Defence Forces over the past 10 years included Nissan Patrol jeeps going for just one cent.

    The Dauphin sales were strongly criticised by Fine Gael defence spokesman Jimmy Deenihan who said the matter warranted investigation.

    "If it is the case that four helicopters were sold off for €311,000 and then fetched almost €19m there is something wrong and it deserves to be investigated," he said. "That is not acceptable and someone must have made a decision somewhere."
    No doubt some civil servant's head will roll for this........
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  • #2
    But how much did the Upgrade cost? It would have cost us €2m per aircraft to bring them up to date.


    Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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    • #3
      Where the hell do I get a nissan patrol for one cent!!!!
      Go Mairidís Beo

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      • #4
        Then again, they could have upgraded the Dauphins, and allocated them to a dedicated naval support squadron, after all, virtually every other navy in the world has helicopters on their Offshore patrol Vessels, instead of selling them for a pitance.

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        • #5
          Is it really worthwhile upgrading a 20 year old helicopter? Navalising the other 2 would have been quite an invasive operation. Getting Eithne back capable of operating Helis would take a lot of time too, and the priority is on patrol days. The usefulness of a Shipborne heli has been superseded by the upgraded avionics of the CASA(which also has sharper eyes, and longer legs).


          Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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          • #6
            Well the Chilean Navy seemed to think that they were worth buying, and the seas around the Straits of magellan are some of the roughest in the world. And it cannot be denied that the naval service is at present one of the few navies buying a new generation of offshore patrol vessels without a helicopter deck and hanger. Nor can the casa land boarding parties for example.

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            • #7
              Are you 100% sure that the Chileans will be operating these dauphins from a ship? Thats not the way I read it in AFM.
              The Dauphin never landed boarding parties either.
              The latest RN OPVs have no hangar.


              Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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              • #8
                The age of the Dauphins was not an issue nor was the alleged cost of upgrading the avionic suite. If every new Cessna 182 is coming out with a glass cockpit, to airline standard, then fitting out a Dauphin would have been relatively easy.After all, mentioning the Casa, it's avionics were of an older standard than the Dauphins and there was no problem upgrading them.
                The advantage of a shipborne heli is it's obvious ability to extend the ship's ability to project it's own power/resources.The Casa and any other MARPAT aircraft have to go home after a few hours overhead a scene, whereas the Dauphin simply has to go to it's(or any other compatible) ship.
                regardless, I think we'll have to wait until all the participants in the Dauphin saga are dead(or beyond litigation range) before someone writes the definitive(truthful) history of it's service in the DF.
                Also, if Rotor Leasing managed, how come some wily Irish guy didn't manage it?
                regards
                GttC

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                • #9
                  Around 2000-2002, the quoted price to upgrade the Dauphins was €5 million each (cheaper to buy newer more capable aircraft).

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                  • #10
                    According to JDW it is the Chilian Navy that's buying them and they will be used from Naval Vessels.

                    IAS

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by ias View Post
                      According to JDW it is the Chilian Navy that's buying them and they will be used from Naval Vessels.

                      IAS
                      Err, was'ent there some report about the Chilian navy building a ship very similiar to our HPV there a few years back?
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                      • #12
                        Has there been any information released on how much it cost Rotor Leasing to conduct the refit?

                        The other pertinent question is where the decision or pressure to sell the Dauphins so quickly came from ...

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Aidan View Post
                          The other pertinent question is where the decision or pressure to sell the Dauphins so quickly came from ...
                          The Special Report on the AC & NS, approx 2002
                          The AAIU report into the crash at Tramore
                          The fact that the decision to upgrade/sell the Dauphin had to be made urgently

                          etc etc

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                          • #14
                            Well done Rotor Leasing. I bow at the alter of capitalisim

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                            • #15
                              it has been known for one company to approach three others companies and ask them to put in slightly lower bids. The civil servants look at them , and said, ah well, its the best we'll get, and take it. The three other companies then get sub contract work from the winner.

                              However, that is not to say it happened in this case, they did need an upgrade, but apart from that still had years of life left in them. My own opinion is that the Dauphins should have been upgraded and used to provide a dedicated naval squadron for operation off the new EPV, as indeed their new owners will be using them.
                              Last edited by paul g; 11 November 2008, 07:31. Reason: GTTC remarks

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