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  • AW139 Troop Seating Plan

    Ladies & Gentlemen,
    Please can I enlist your help in sourcing a technical drawing for the above showing the troop seat layout in the AW139.
    I am putting together a brief on it and would like to get my hands on these plans, if not, then photographs (although a second best would be appreciated.
    The brief will not be in the public domain, it will be used training of troops engaged in helicopter operations.

    I have used the search function on this board and checked the following websites: Augusta Westland, Aviation Weekly, Military Helicopter, Rotary wing, Janes etc search engines and have come up empty handed. Your help will be greatly appreciated.

    S.
    Once more unto the breach, dear friends

  • #2
    Saracen,
    It may be worth contacting the Air Corps on this one as I believe they do not operate a standard configuration.

    The standard configuration is 2 rows of 5 seats back to back, along the centerline of the aircraft facing outwards. In this config a crewman cannot move from one door to the other so the solution is to carry 2 rearcrew or change the seating. I believe the Air Corps have changed the seating.

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    • #3
      There was an article in Engineers Ireland which had the standard seating configurations in it.

      Need to root out the magazine and scan in the article if you still need it?
      I went into an Italian restaurant and ordered dessert and they gave me tiramisu and a blindfolded horse and I said No, I said mask a pony (mascarpone)

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      • #4
        Actually found the article online at

        http://www.engineersireland.ie/uploa...IR%20CORPS.PDF

        and another article here

        http://www.engineersireland.ie/uploa...D_AIRCORPS.PDF
        Last edited by Liachta Cultaca; 28 April 2009, 10:56.
        I went into an Italian restaurant and ordered dessert and they gave me tiramisu and a blindfolded horse and I said No, I said mask a pony (mascarpone)

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        • #5
          Get onto the Air Corps Drawing Office directly.You could make the call to the O.C. and then get your O.C. to follow up with a letter.Is there not already a published protocol for boarding/exiting a helicopter, regardless of type?
          regards
          GttC

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          • #6
            Aer Corps go over the seating plan as part of heli drills. It depends on how many troops, what your carrying etc. ARW get their own I belive as their so heavy! They also have very good slides on how to bus and debus the aircraft and how to do this when there are multiple aircraft.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Liachta Cultaca View Post
              Thanks, Liachta Cultaca, had the first article but not the second. Still not quite what I'm looking for.

              Thanks Tadpole, GTTC and Muzzle for your replies. I have the slides from the Air Corps but its plans I need. request is still sitting on my CO's desk. The tasking I have is corp specific and unusual.

              Thanks to all.

              S.
              Once more unto the breach, dear friends

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              • #8
                Hi there
                Why don't you just go there, with your CO's letter in one fist and a camera in the other?
                regards
                GttC

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                • #9
                  I'd like to keep my appointment! Anyway, its a tape measure that I need rather than a camera. I need to plan space for troops and equipment. Thanks for the help though.

                  Rgds

                  S
                  Once more unto the breach, dear friends

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                  • #10
                    Come on you have to tell us what you are planning

                    ah please
                    Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
                    Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
                    The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
                    The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
                    The best lack all conviction, while the worst
                    Are full of passionate intensity.

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                    • #11
                      Is it just me or does it not seem strange that an individual needs to go on an independent forum for information regarding the seating arrangements of a Defence Forces asset?

                      Is this indicitive of the red tape one encounters when going through the proper channels? Or is it more of a case of the proper channels dont exist?

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                      • #12
                        Listen, just ring those persons to whom you have been directed and they will help you. God knows how you could be faulted for going direct to source.
                        regards
                        GttC

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                        • #13
                          Another point to note is that aircraft loading(mass & balance) is quite an exact business. Unless you are qualified to perform this task you WILL definitely need to liase with Air Corps personnel as simply putting things in the order they fit best is a very unlikely solution. There are factors like centre of gravity(CofG) and max take off weights etc that would need to be addressed.

                          If you are not qualified, without consultation it is very likely that you may be engaging in a pointless paper exercise. I know from experience that the placing of one person, or one item can put the aircraft out of Cof G limits. Your theoretical drawing, would have to be applied to a loadsheet to be verified. Best not to assume and speak to the people who know what their doing. As GTTC suggested, best get youself to Baldonnel.

                          Dont believe me? Ever hear of the concrete block in the first Garda EC-135? Ballast.
                          Last edited by Jetjock; 30 April 2009, 21:46.

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                          • #14
                            If it's a particular requirement you have, get on to 301 or 303 squadron directly and give them the gen. There are more even than just absolute size and c of g, there are floor loadings, restraint issues, possible certification and dangerous cargo issues, and if it's really specialised, the MAA will want a look at it too.

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                            • #15
                              Thanks for your info and time guys, really appreciate it. Plenty to think about.
                              Once more unto the breach, dear friends

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