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    Docman
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  • Docman
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    The major problem is that it is chinese. The Thai navy recently acquired ex-chinese vessels in an attempt to expand their navy. Due to the shockingly poor workmanship of the vessels, it is unlikely that they will ever see the open sea and will be limited to coastal duties. Problems like water-tight hatches that not only were not water tight but couldn't even be closed. Maybe the Pakistanis will make a difference but I wouldn't trust it as far as I can throw it.

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  • Scorpy
    Some dodgy geezer

  • Scorpy
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    I believe that there are problems with China exporting this type as they don't have the license to re-export the R34 (?) Russian engines. The Pakistani deal to purchase has fallen through according to Jane's. As for purchasing from the other side of the world, perhaps they would take the Eurocopter Australia approach and set up an entire manufacturing plant here? They certainly have enough 'local' employees living here... not that I object of course.

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  • yooklid
    6-40509-04014-7

  • yooklid
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    It wouldn't be a refit. They are construction options.

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  • Goldie fish
    Tim Horgan

  • Goldie fish
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    would it not be easier to get a western aircraft with western avionics,rather than refitting an eastern one?

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  • yooklid
    6-40509-04014-7

  • yooklid
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    Well most of the Avionics can be configured to be european. As can the weapons. I would go out on a limb here and say the more mechanical parts such as engines etc can be learned and even reproduced by us, or some other western entity for upgrades and replacements if the source becomes unavailable. As for price, I believe Aidan/Paul G are the experts on that!

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  • Big Al
    Ex-bagger

  • Big Al
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    $15m a pop, is this good value verus its rivals?

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  • FMolloy
    King Monkey

  • FMolloy
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    How often do you get email instructions from Ford on how to change the gear-box in your Escort?

    You don't ring the garage if your car breaks down, you bring the car in or the mechanic comes to you. There will be certain instances when the manufacturer will have to work on the aircraft (refits, upgrades, accident investigation). That means that the techs will have to come all the way from PRC, and until they do all the aircraft will have to be grounded.

    There's also the rather substantial language barrier. There's a better chance of someone in the AC speaking French or German than there is of someone speaking Chinese.

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  • Fox
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    Originally posted by FMolloy
    China is on the other side of the world, imagine having to fly over & back to get spare parts or to talk to the design team.

    It's a non-runner.
    Who said anything about flying over & back to talk to the design team? Could you not ring them or send info via the net or wait even..no...even ship the parts over?

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  • Turkey
    Brigadier General

  • Turkey
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    I would not say it's a non runner, no more so then anything else, but the F/A/T-50 appears to be a better aircraft, and is at least partly western.

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  • FMolloy
    King Monkey

  • FMolloy
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    China is on the other side of the world, imagine having to fly over & back to get spare parts or to talk to the design team.

    It's a non-runner.

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  • faughanballagh
    Resident Yank

  • faughanballagh
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    Looks MiGy.

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    Guest

  • Fox
    Guest replied
    Yes but China is slowly opening up and that is good and people want to see that especially the Irish, remember the Navy's "Economic" trip down there. Personally i like the Aircraft.

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  • Lurk
    Mere Corporal

  • Lurk
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    FMolloy, I have to agree with you here. Good straight facts.

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  • FMolloy
    King Monkey

  • FMolloy
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    If we talk about this, we will only upset the anti-fighter people, and they are always right.................
    We're not 'anti-fighter', we merely believe that the AC has to learn to walk before it can run (at the moment it's crawling). The AC is suffering from IR & personnel problems, infrastructural problems & problems with it's current aircraft. All this will need to be sorted before the AC can even consider adopting a proper fighter.

    In any event, I don't see the AC buying from anywhere other than Europe & North America. There will be a need for some standardisation with NATO/EU, thus limiting the choices. The availability of parts & technical help would also be important. This more or less rules out China.

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  • faughanballagh
    Resident Yank

  • faughanballagh
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    They coulda at least made it look like it was made after platform shoes were in style...

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