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    Looking at the new advancements in UAV technologies I wonder how long it could before we see these coming here if ever..

    The RAF/USAF have advanced from the old predator design to the modern day MQ-9 the benefits for use in Ireland could be used for internal security operations, maritime surveillance, close air support, ATCP etc..

    A big plus could be support to DF contribution UN/EU BG Army units deployed overseas , The units (UAVs) could be based in country and could operate for long periods up in the air armed with Hell fire AGM or other guided munitions aswell A Stinger AAMs.

    Troops on the ground may be more assured that force protection and improved intelligence assets are available close by no matter how far they are from base on patrols.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General..._Force_version

    May be only a pie in the sky idea but may be easier to maintain and deploy overseas with appropriate equipment and care staff then trying to deploy a PC-9 or Aw139 etc..
    British officer: You're seven minutes late, Mr. Collins.
    Michael Collins: You've kept us waiting 700 years. You can have your seven minutes.

    [As the British flag comes down]

    Michael Collins: So that's what all the bother was about.

  • #2
    We already have a limited UAV capability
    To close with and kill the enemy in all weather conditions, night and day and over any terrain

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    • #3
      Originally posted by HavocIRL View Post
      We already have a limited UAV capability
      The Air Corps dont, Unless I am wrong our UAV is an arty asset.
      I think blue max's point is that the Air corps could develop some proper UAV capability.

      It seems to make sense they could replace the Garda ASU defender with something along the UAV route that seems an obvious one, but whether it would be cost effective i dont know.

      Though I'm sure the AC have somebody looking into it.
      But there's no danger
      It's a professional career
      Though it could be arranged
      With just a word in Mr. Churchill's ear
      If you're out of luck you're out of work
      We could send you to johannesburg.

      (Elvis Costello, Olivers Army)

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      • #4
        uav

        only a matter of time before being used for marine recon,save afortune compared to having pvs steaming about.

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        • #5
          Not going to happen any time soon.

          Biggest stumbling block is integration in civil airspace, that hasnt even been cracked by the Yanks let alone the Paddys.

          Second is cost. Anything in the HALE capacity currently takes about 5 times the manpower and at least 3 times the cap ex of a manned system such as a maritime SKA200. There are no saving to be made with UAVs, the only advantages are persistent surveillance and ability to be lost without loss of life.

          Just look at current US doctrine, there is actually a shift back to some extent towards manned platforms, an example is Project Liberty.

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          • #6
            only a matter of time before being used for marine recon,save afortune compared to having pvs steaming about.
            UAVs cant board suspect boats, you still need boots on the ground, or in this case ships in the water.

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            • #7
              There is a rotary wing UAV, the Camcopter S-100 currently on the market, being pushed at the maritime sector.


              It may not be able to board, but you can take a very close look
              Last edited by Goldie fish; 20 February 2011, 00:43.


              Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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              • #8
                Theres no doubt UAVs are cool bits of kit but they, like everything else need to do the job effectively and at the right price. That machine is well over a million bucks an RoA of about 50km and currently can only fly in restricted airspace.

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                • #9
                  $400,000 for the UAV above.


                  Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                  • #10
                    $400,000 for the UAV above.
                    TBH I am very surprised at that. Is that for a total system or the air vehicle only? LoS or BLoS comms?
                    A reasonable payload for a system like that is, in itself, is in the order of $200,000.

                    If it is actually $400,000 for a full system we should have bought those and not the Orbiter! Yes I know not man portable but 6 hr endurance and much better for FIBUA operations.

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                    • #11
                      Looking at this recent article:

                      http://defensenews-updates.blogspot....mcopter-s.html

                      A system would appear to cost about $1.5mil although unconfirmed it sounds about right.

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                      • #12
                        Correct me if I'm wrong but did'nt the DF in Chad have uav with them and a couple went mia.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Tadpole View Post
                          UAVs cant board suspect boats, you still need boots on the ground, or in this case ships in the water.
                          Either can the Casa horse

                          I suppose flying in within civil aviation flight path tbh as im working in that area just get the IAA on board from the start not after they would be purchased and decide on doctrine.

                          The potential for long linger up in the air following and monitoring vessels with potential for underwing stores such as lifes rafts, flares etc..

                          The Army have a limited UAV capability I was more looking at potenitial for UAVs as deployable assists overseas with UN/EU BG or in maritime role/internal security etc..
                          British officer: You're seven minutes late, Mr. Collins.
                          Michael Collins: You've kept us waiting 700 years. You can have your seven minutes.

                          [As the British flag comes down]

                          Michael Collins: So that's what all the bother was about.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by 25 pounder View Post
                            Correct me if I'm wrong but did'nt the DF in Chad have uav with them and a couple went mia.
                            See post 79 on below

                            http://forum.irishmilitaryonline.com...ost+UAV&page=4

                            Also see

                            http://forum.irishmilitaryonline.com...light=lost+UAV
                            Last edited by Vickers; 20 February 2011, 19:59. Reason: add more info
                            "Fellow-soldiers of the Irish Republican Army, I have just received a communication from Commandant Pearse calling on us to surrender and you will agree with me that this is the hardest task we have been called upon to perform during this eventful week, but we came into this fight for Irish Independence in obedience to the commands of our higher officers and now in obedience to their wishes we must surrender. I know you would, like myself, prefer to be with our comrades who have already fallen in the fight - we, too, should rather die in this glorious struggle than submit to the enemy." Volunteer Captain Patrick Holahan to 58 of his men at North Brunswick Street, the last group of the Four Courts Garrison to surrender, Sunday 30 April 1916.

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                            • #15
                              The reference to boarding wasnt about your thread it was in reply to this:
                              only a matter of time before being used for marine recon,save afortune compared to having pvs steaming about.
                              Still need PV to board the suspect vessel found by the UAV.

                              I suppose flying in within civil aviation flight path tbh as im working in that area just get the IAA on board from the start not after they would be purchased and decide on doctrine.
                              IAA will take its lead from EASA which requires sense and avoid capabilities at least equivalent to manned aircraft before they will be allowed in civil airspace. While under development it still isnt available and when it is it will cost a small fortune.

                              The potential for long linger up in the air following and monitoring vessels with potential for underwing stores such as lifes rafts, flares etc..

                              The Army have a limited UAV capability I was more looking at potenitial for UAVs as deployable assists overseas with UN/EU BG or in maritime role/internal security etc..
                              The Army have the capability that they currently require. If they need bigger they would be better off going for a manned platform such as the DA42 at the lower end (Used on contract in Afg by the RAF) up to something like a SKA200. Anything bigger is a waste for the DF as would be tactical UAVs upwards. They just could not support the logs footprint of larger UAVs.

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