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    i thought the air corp were charged with suppling air ambulance for the HSE. why was irish coast guard heli used for this service when it's supposed to be a 24/7 op for IAC?

    http://www.transport.ie/pressRelease.aspx?Id=335
    Last edited by Vickers; 28 May 2011, 05:01. Reason: Fix link

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    To answr the question that I might have the answer to. How would I know what casa's are available, I just request one when I need one. It's obvious me that neither a casa, a Lear jet, a 139 or a 135 or any aircraft that could carry a 9 year old child was available for the corps. So what the feck are you doing lads and laddets?????? Do not pull the we had a hard week bull"hit, it's 24/7 365. The only aircraft I seen flying over the visits was the Garda heli, oh wait I did see 4 pc9's once.
    Although I have walked in the valley of the shadows of death I fear no evil...

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    • #3
      6 139
      1 Lear jet
      2 casa maritime patrol aircraft
      1 G4

      What are we paying you for. A/c has an sla with hse to provide a service. The moh spoke about this service on the 24th in the dail and less that 48 hours later not 1 a/c asset is available.

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      • #4
        The press release reads as if minutes counted, Dublin Airport may have been closer to the patient than Baldonnel, the duty aircraft may have just completed a mission/have been already tasked to another.

        I presume the HSE is the tasking agency why not ask them?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by SARMAN View Post
          . The only aircraft I seen flying over the visits was the Garda heli, oh wait I did see 4 pc9's once.
          That doesnt mean the other aircraft were not flying and being tasked
          Every man thinks meanly of himself for not having been a soldier - Samuel Johnson

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          • #6
            In cork I saw all the GASU aircraft last week. I presume as a result of this they are now down for maintenance, and the Air Corps helis are filling in, those that were not involved in the security operation.


            Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by DeV View Post
              The press release reads as if minutes counted, Dublin Airport may have been closer to the patient than Baldonnel, the duty aircraft may have just completed a mission/have been already tasked to another.

              I presume the HSE is the tasking agency why not ask them?
              According to their Facebook page, last Wednesday was thier last air ambo flight. Hasn't been updated since then in fairness.
              You would think that after the hard push to get back into SAR and all that went with that, that some crew and craft would be available, whether it be top cover or air ambulance.
              Asking the HSE is one thing. The answer might not be what some people want to hear.
              As to top cover, maybe the IRCG are now fed up asking and not getting, and are now going to go it alone using two heli's if needed, I could be completely wrong of course.
              Last edited by Helihead; 28 May 2011, 15:36.

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              • #8
                Maybe the IRCG are taking on all that comes their way to ringfence the 50m S92 deal.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Helihead View Post
                  According to their Facebook page, last Wednesday was thier last air ambo flight. Hasn't been updated since then in fairness.
                  You would think that after the hard push to get back into SAR and all that went with that, that some crew and craft would be available, whether it be top cover or air ambulance.
                  Asking the HSE is one thing. The answer might not be what some people want to hear.
                  As to top cover, maybe the IRCG are now fed up asking and not getting, and are now going to go it alone using two heli's if needed, I could be completely wrong of course.
                  The duty aircraft is multi-role not sure air ambulance!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by DeV View Post
                    The duty aircraft is multi-role not sure air ambulance!
                    Sorry Dev, you have lost me. what duty aircraft?

                    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...297951028.html
                    Last edited by Helihead; 28 May 2011, 19:03. Reason: Add link

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by danno View Post
                      Maybe the IRCG are taking on all that comes their way to ringfence the 50m S92 deal.
                      We did of course go first to the IAC for top cover on the south coast mission last week and the west coast this week. If IAC have none available we go to the UK. In this event it would have been a 3+ hour wait so we went with our back up of a chase heli which will become more practicable on the S92's for missions in the 52 - 55 degree north area. We are finishing an SLA with the French to have a second back up also on the south coast. IAC will always remain our first phone call.

                      On the heli mission we dont like sending an on call heli out of its AOR but it was a last option available for the girl so we went and were happy to help. Why IAC didnt take it is none of our buisness. We are just there as back up and as part of a whole of government capacity. The HSE have primacy.

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                      • #12
                        [QUOTE=chrisr;337199 The HSE have primacy.[/QUOTE]

                        Thanks for clarification.What is the exact squence of the tasking,ie,who decides if it is a fixed/rotary wing op and whether the AC or IRCG get the initial request.As the IRCG is an emergency service one might expecy AC with widder range of craft to be first contacted by HSE.

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                        • #13
                          As far as I know the AC have a SLA with the HSE for the provision of Air Ambulance services and the vast majority of AA's are carried out by them, free of charge of course. Occasionally the IRCG willingly step in when asked - I suppose when no suitable AC aircraft is available or there's a critical time factor, probably like this case. The AC nearly always opt for the FW option to London to save time if the transport can be planned but emergency calls are generally dealt with by the duty helicopter crews who are on call after hours. Anyway, the main thing in this case is that the young girl was successfully transported to London.


                          Rgds
                          PH

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Helihead View Post
                            Sorry Dev, you have lost me. what duty aircraft?

                            http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...297951028.html
                            There is a helicopter on call 24/7/365. It must have been already tasked or unavailable for some reason.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Pure Hover View Post
                              As far as I know the AC have a SLA with the HSE for the provision of Air Ambulance services and the vast majority of AA's are carried out by them, free of charge of course.
                              PH
                              Sorry PH , didn't know the IAC were a charity.Whether carried our by the IAC or IRCG it is paid for by the tax payer.

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