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  • Except what he’s said has been completely taken out of context...this is what he said;


    Environment Minister Edwin Poots said horrifying damage is being done over a wide spread area, particularly to wildlife and biodiversity.
    He met emergency responders at the major incident command centre in Newcastle on Saturday.
    Support is expected from the Republic of Ireland and Great Britain.
    "The Irish helicopter is going to be operational today and then an English helicopter is going be there to relieve the Irish helicopter," he said.

    How I read that is that the efforts to fight this fire are being supported by helicopters from the Irish Coastguard and now from England. The Irish helicopter has been on task all day and is being relieved by one from England tomorrow. Two agencies working together to achieve the best outcome in a bad situation. Simple.

    Not sure if tomorrow’s helicopter is from HM Coastguard, the military or a contractor, but he’s merely stating the facts. Why is he stating the facts...because that’s what’s happening and people will not only be interested...they also have a right to know. I don’t see how that is being tribalistic.

    Stop being so prickly.

    Hopefully the Irish Air Corps AW139 plus Bambi bucket will be available tomorrow...because this is bad...and apparently started by farmers doing a ‘controlled’ burn somewhere.
    'History is a vast early warning system'. Norman Cousins

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    • Easy way to stop the fires is to ban sheep grazing, would also allow for nature to fight off evasive plants such as Rhododendron.

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      • Originally posted by EUFighter View Post
        Easy way to stop the fires is to ban sheep grazing, would also allow for nature to fight off evasive plants such as Rhododendron.
        Thats part of the problem all right...I believe the farmers burn the heather to encourage new growth...so they can graze their sheep.

        But you've families who have grazed sheep up there for generations...and Mourne Men are known for their stubbornness...
        'History is a vast early warning system'. Norman Cousins

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        • Originally posted by EUFighter View Post
          Easy way to stop the fires is to ban sheep grazing, would also allow for nature to fight off evasive plants such as Rhododendron.
          Goats are the best cure for that particular plant.
          The notion that farmers burn off heather to encourage growth for grazing sheep is nonsense. Sheep will eat anything green.

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          • The fires are usually man made and if they are caught they should have to paid for the destruction they have caused along with the full cost of fighting those fire. Burning gorse has been going on for a long time and it needs to stop.

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            • Originally posted by spider View Post
              Except what he’s said has been completely taken out of context...this is what he said;


              Environment Minister Edwin Poots said horrifying damage is being done over a wide spread area, particularly to wildlife and biodiversity.
              He met emergency responders at the major incident command centre in Newcastle on Saturday.
              Support is expected from the Republic of Ireland and Great Britain.
              "The Irish helicopter is going to be operational today and then an English helicopter is going be there to relieve the Irish helicopter," he said.

              How I read that is that the efforts to fight this fire are being supported by helicopters from the Irish Coastguard and now from England. The Irish helicopter has been on task all day and is being relieved by one from England tomorrow. Two agencies working together to achieve the best outcome in a bad situation. Simple.

              Not sure if tomorrow’s helicopter is from HM Coastguard, the military or a contractor, but he’s merely stating the facts. Why is he stating the facts...because that’s what’s happening and people will not only be interested...they also have a right to know. I don’t see how that is being tribalistic.

              Stop being so prickly.

              Hopefully the Irish Air Corps AW139 plus Bambi bucket will be available tomorrow...because this is bad...and apparently started by farmers doing a ‘controlled’ burn somewhere.
              There was a 'Scottish helicopter' yesterday, an AW189 from what I seen online.

              Would be interesting to know why the Gazelles in Aldergrove aren't being used for the aerial recces.

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              • Originally posted by Rhodes View Post

                There was a 'Scottish helicopter' yesterday, an AW189 from what I seen online.

                Would be interesting to know why the Gazelles in Aldergrove aren't being used for the aerial recces.
                Or why no request for RAF Pumas and Chinooks (yes they would need to travel from U.K.)

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                • Originally posted by Rhodes View Post

                  There was a 'Scottish helicopter' yesterday, an AW189 from what I seen online.

                  Would be interesting to know why the Gazelles in Aldergrove aren't being used for the aerial recces.
                  Which makes sense...the Prestwick one...and why I speculated that it may have been a military or privately contracted helicopter when he said English.

                  To be fair he probably doesn't know Prestwick is in Scotland and knows more about Massey Fergusons than helicopters...

                  The Gazelles have a specific operational tasking in NI...I doubt they'd be networked to or capable of being networked to download a feed to the NIFRS.

                  I was more curious why the PSNI helicopters weren't used...the EC145 has a decent troop carrying capability for lifting Firefighters forward.

                  Again probably down to downloading live images? Coastguard helicopters probably don't use secure servers.
                  'History is a vast early warning system'. Norman Cousins

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                  • https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-57521158

                    At the risk of being accused of being prickly

                    Originally posted by Orion View Post
                    The narrow minded tribalism even in times of great danger is breath taking
                    Sadly SF seem to have a more coherent approach



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                    • Originally posted by Orion View Post
                      https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-57521158

                      At the risk of being accused of being prickly



                      Sadly SF seem to have a more coherent approach


                      So you're linking internal DUP power struggles to a discussion about a gorse fire in the Mourne Mountains?

                      Okey-dokey...
                      'History is a vast early warning system'. Norman Cousins

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                      • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lOkzbtxRbU

                        Interview with a winch operator was this week's podcast, really good interview

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                        • Bearing in mind that as the geographic spread of the DF is reduced, we really need the ability to rapidly deploy not insignificant amount of troops around the State the AC requires a number of medium lift helis (PWC 1998). Acknowledging that the AW139 is not a medium lift heli (inspite of what the tender called a medium lift heli (8 troops)).

                          medium lift Helis are also a critical force enabler overseas and the UN always has issues getting them.

                          the U.K. is looking at a Puma replacement with the AW149 being plugged hard for it (as there is U.K. manufacturing potential)

                          maybe when the time comes for a AW139 replacement….. we should look at exercising the Irish/U.K. MOU to leverage a AW149 purchase (assuming that the U.K. goes for it)

                          https://www.leonardocompany.com/en/p...pters/military

                          https://uk.leonardocompany.com/en/ai...ium-helicopter

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                          • If we are to get a medium lift helicopter then it should be a true green machine and not a civil machine just painted green. The AW149 is no more a true military machine than the AW139. Top contender would be the S-70 family, followed by the NH-90. On the outside would be what we should have bought in the first place the AW-101.

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                            • Leonardo are hoping that replacing the Puma in British service will give them some form of military credibility. I'd be more interested in seeing what the French do.

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                              • Originally posted by EUFighter View Post
                                If we are to get a medium lift helicopter then it should be a true green machine and not a civil machine just painted green. The AW149 is no more a true military machine than the AW139. Top contender would be the S-70 family, followed by the NH-90. On the outside would be what we should have bought in the first place the AW-101.
                                There is absolutely no way we should touch NH-90 (only caveat being unless it is exactly the same specs as an existing major user who has all issues rectified

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