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  • Originally posted by gaff85 View Post
    So as per the commission and the need for larger aircraft are we looking at the 149 if we stay with AW?
    Well the explicit recommendations are:
    “…two additional medium lift rotary wing aircraft for enhanced Defence Forces support and priority ATCA taskings;
    • The ultimate replacement of the existing medium lift helicopter fleet with a fleet of eight super-medium helicopters;​”

    Both of those are “Accepted in principle” - “further consideration is required on the optimal approach to meeting the intent of the Commission.“




    if LOA3 is decided:
    “The overseas deployment of combat aircraft, pilots and support personnel to provide organic intra- theatre mobility based on tactical transport helicopters. Deployed forces would also have an organic helicopter combat SAR capability armed and equipped to operate in hostile environments;
    • ARW/SOF would have an organic self-sustainment capability, which would include dedicated combat helicopter assets to insert, operate and extract from mission areas.”

    both of these are revert of Government “revert to Government at a later stage with regard to this recommendation.” (These have to be a step up)






    so if we were to stay Leonardo, AW149/NH90/EH101

    not sure if 149 can be classed as “super medium”
    Last edited by DeV; 23 January 2023, 14:40.

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    • Originally posted by EUFighter View Post
      Leonardo Helicopter MTOW
      AW-09 2850kg
      AW-119M 3150kg
      AW-109M 3350kg
      AW-169M 4800kg
      AW-159M (Lynx/Wildcat) 60500kg
      AW-139M 7000kg
      AW-149M 8600kg
      NH-90 11000kg
      AW-101 15300kg
      Is the figure on the Lynx correct?!? That's insane if so!!
      What are you cackling at, fatty? Too much pie, that's your problem.

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      • Originally posted by ODIN View Post

        Is the figure on the Lynx correct?!? That's insane if so!!
        I'd say there's an extra zero there. The lynx was in the 5T heli bracket originally.
        For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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        • Originally posted by ODIN View Post

          Is the figure on the Lynx correct?!? That's insane if so!!
          Was one zero too many, it should be 6050kg

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          • Originally posted by DeV View Post

            Well the explicit recommendations are:
            “…two additional medium lift rotary wing aircraft for enhanced Defence Forces support and priority ATCA taskings;
            • The ultimate replacement of the existing medium lift helicopter fleet with a fleet of eight super-medium helicopters;​”

            Both of those are “Accepted in principle” - “further consideration is required on the optimal approach to meeting the intent of the Commission.“




            if LOA3 is decided:
            “The overseas deployment of combat aircraft, pilots and support personnel to provide organic intra- theatre mobility based on tactical transport helicopters. Deployed forces would also have an organic helicopter combat SAR capability armed and equipped to operate in hostile environments;
            • ARW/SOF would have an organic self-sustainment capability, which would include dedicated combat helicopter assets to insert, operate and extract from mission areas.”

            both of these are revert of Government “revert to Government at a later stage with regard to this recommendation.” (These have to be a step up)






            so if we were to stay Leonardo, AW149/NH90/EH101

            not sure if 149 can be classed as “super medium”
            The capacity of the AW139M and the AW149M are not far apart. The AW149M was targeted to compete with the S70 Blackhawk family which while being a 11t helicopter only has a fully equipped troop capacity with side gunners similar to the AW139. IMHO a larger aircraft would be in the S90/H225M/NH90 size.

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            • The following is an excerpt from Airforces Monthly June 2022 edition. There was an article titled "Ireland hits 100". The article was written after a visit to Bal. There was a section in the article that relates to new helicopter's:

              "The Report of the Commission
              on Defence Forces suggested that
              Ireland procured a minimum of
              eight super-medium helicopters
              to replace the AW139 in IAC
              service, along with further training
              and utility rotorcraft. Also, the
              Irish Naval Service is moving
              towards acquisition of a new multi-
              role vessel, which will have an
              embarked helicopter capability that
              will likely be maintained by the IAC.
              Both will enhance the operational
              capabilities of No 3 Operations
              Wing, which will look towards
              adopting new responsibilities and
              overcoming new challenges over
              the next two decades. A decision
              regarding fleet replacement has
              yet to be made, but options
              include the Leonardo Helicopters
              AW149 and Airbus Helicopters H175M."


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              • Originally posted by pilatus View Post
                The following is an excerpt from Airforces Monthly June 2022 edition. There was an article titled "Ireland hits 100". The article was written after a visit to Bal. There was a section in the article that relates to new helicopter's:

                "The Report of the Commission
                on Defence Forces suggested that
                Ireland procured a minimum of
                eight super-medium helicopters
                to replace the AW139 in IAC
                service, along with further training
                and utility rotorcraft. Also, the
                Irish Naval Service is moving
                towards acquisition of a new multi-
                role vessel, which will have an
                embarked helicopter capability that
                will likely be maintained by the IAC.
                Both will enhance the operational
                capabilities of No 3 Operations
                Wing, which will look towards
                adopting new responsibilities and
                overcoming new challenges over
                the next two decades. A decision
                regarding fleet replacement has
                yet to be made, but options
                include the Leonardo Helicopters
                AW149 and Airbus Helicopters H175M."


                I hope they have a word with the Navy about proper cooperation re ; heli ops, this time around. I'd give the Navy their own heli and let them have their own crews and mechs and support.

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