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Originally posted by EUFighter View Post
The French have being replacing their Puma & Cougar helicopters with the NH90 for some years now. That decision was made a long time ago.For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.
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Given that the AW-139s suffered in the firefighting and would appear to need an MLU, my (hovertank) proposal would e to shuffle them sideways into civilian roles (paint them orange, equip them ans high a you can as a flying ICU and call them aer ambulance).
Instead I suggest buying 20 AW101. Avoids the issues of NH90 and they cost about the same in investment. I'd assume that maintenance is more though.
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Originally posted by Graylion View PostGiven that the AW-139s suffered in the firefighting and would appear to need an MLU, my (hovertank) proposal would e to shuffle them sideways into civilian roles (paint them orange, equip them ans high a you can as a flying ICU and call them aer ambulance).
Instead I suggest buying 20 AW101. Avoids the issues of NH90 and they cost about the same in investment. I'd assume that maintenance is more though.
Better off going back to basics and replace the AW139 with the aircraft we should have had from day 1. The Sikorsky S-70. I note that the USCG had intended to purchase the AW139 but after 9/11 decided it no longer fit the bill and went with the Jayhawk instead.
Coast Guard Receives New Jayhawk - Vertical MagFor now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.
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Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
While the 101 is a fine aircraft, it is also much bigger, needing 3 engines just to Hover. It's in S92 territory.
Better off going back to basics and replace the AW139 with the aircraft we should have had from day 1. The Sikorsky S-70. I note that the USCG had intended to purchase the AW139 but after 9/11 decided it no longer fit the bill and went with the Jayhawk instead.
Coast Guard Receives New Jayhawk - Vertical Mag
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What's the point?
Without a reform of the DOD
Without them being planned to be deployed overseas.
without a defensive suite
without the infrastructure to support them
without regularly sustaining ops away from Bal
without proper integration with the wider defence forces
without more techs, aircrew, pilots
without an overhaul of work and maintenance schedules...
...without all this it's just window dressing for fancy Facebook videos.
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Originally posted by warthog View PostWhat's the point?
Without a reform of the DOD
Without them being planned to be deployed overseas.
without a defensive suite
without the infrastructure to support them
without regularly sustaining ops away from Bal
without proper integration with the wider defence forces
without more techs, aircrew, pilots
without an overhaul of work and maintenance schedules...
...without all this it's just window dressing for fancy Facebook videos.
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You know what, when it comes to even a short distance deployment away from Baldonnel, people will moan. They moaned about going to the ship, way back when. They moaned about working with the Navy, the Gardai, the Army. they moaned about the Border,back in Alouette days and they moaned about going to Spain to deal with the Casa. they even moaned about having to "do" courses on newer aircraft like the PC-9. Some of it is justified but some of it is just whinging, but a fundamental "garrison" mentality still exists and has to be got rid of. Some people love cross-cooperation,others hate it and it's a two-way street so a mentality shift is in order, right across the DF. Same applies to DoD, but that's for the higher-ups to sort out.
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Originally posted by GoneToTheCanner View PostYou know what, when it comes to even a short distance deployment away from Baldonnel, people will moan. They moaned about going to the ship, way back when. They moaned about working with the Navy, the Gardai, the Army. they moaned about the Border,back in Alouette days and they moaned about going to Spain to deal with the Casa. they even moaned about having to "do" courses on newer aircraft like the PC-9. Some of it is justified but some of it is just whinging, but a fundamental "garrison" mentality still exists and has to be got rid of. Some people love cross-cooperation,others hate it and it's a two-way street so a mentality shift is in order, right across the DF. Same applies to DoD, but that's for the higher-ups to sort out.
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You can only get what will be in production at the time the order will be delivered. I am fond of the AW-101 but there are very few remaining to be delivered and some of the long lead items will soon start to become difficult to source. The Airbus H225M is a bit more secure in terms of orders but even there Airbus is pushing the smaller H175M as the replacement of the legacy RAF Pumas. Even the S-70 family is nearing the end of its production run although still available from a number of sources.
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