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  • GoneToTheCanner
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    Originally posted by pilatus View Post
    The following is an excerpt from Airforces Monthly June 2022 edition. There was an article titled "Ireland hits 100". The article was written after a visit to Bal. There was a section in the article that relates to new helicopter's:

    "The Report of the Commission
    on Defence Forces suggested that
    Ireland procured a minimum of
    eight super-medium helicopters
    to replace the AW139 in IAC
    service, along with further training
    and utility rotorcraft. Also, the
    Irish Naval Service is moving
    towards acquisition of a new multi-
    role vessel, which will have an
    embarked helicopter capability that
    will likely be maintained by the IAC.
    Both will enhance the operational
    capabilities of No 3 Operations
    Wing, which will look towards
    adopting new responsibilities and
    overcoming new challenges over
    the next two decades. A decision
    regarding fleet replacement has
    yet to be made, but options
    include the Leonardo Helicopters
    AW149 and Airbus Helicopters H175M."


    I hope they have a word with the Navy about proper cooperation re ; heli ops, this time around. I'd give the Navy their own heli and let them have their own crews and mechs and support.

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  • pilatus
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    The following is an excerpt from Airforces Monthly June 2022 edition. There was an article titled "Ireland hits 100". The article was written after a visit to Bal. There was a section in the article that relates to new helicopter's:

    "The Report of the Commission
    on Defence Forces suggested that
    Ireland procured a minimum of
    eight super-medium helicopters
    to replace the AW139 in IAC
    service, along with further training
    and utility rotorcraft. Also, the
    Irish Naval Service is moving
    towards acquisition of a new multi-
    role vessel, which will have an
    embarked helicopter capability that
    will likely be maintained by the IAC.
    Both will enhance the operational
    capabilities of No 3 Operations
    Wing, which will look towards
    adopting new responsibilities and
    overcoming new challenges over
    the next two decades. A decision
    regarding fleet replacement has
    yet to be made, but options
    include the Leonardo Helicopters
    AW149 and Airbus Helicopters H175M."


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  • EUFighter
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    Originally posted by DeV View Post

    Well the explicit recommendations are:
    “…two additional medium lift rotary wing aircraft for enhanced Defence Forces support and priority ATCA taskings;
    • The ultimate replacement of the existing medium lift helicopter fleet with a fleet of eight super-medium helicopters;​”

    Both of those are “Accepted in principle” - “further consideration is required on the optimal approach to meeting the intent of the Commission.“




    if LOA3 is decided:
    “The overseas deployment of combat aircraft, pilots and support personnel to provide organic intra- theatre mobility based on tactical transport helicopters. Deployed forces would also have an organic helicopter combat SAR capability armed and equipped to operate in hostile environments;
    • ARW/SOF would have an organic self-sustainment capability, which would include dedicated combat helicopter assets to insert, operate and extract from mission areas.”

    both of these are revert of Government “revert to Government at a later stage with regard to this recommendation.” (These have to be a step up)






    so if we were to stay Leonardo, AW149/NH90/EH101

    not sure if 149 can be classed as “super medium”
    The capacity of the AW139M and the AW149M are not far apart. The AW149M was targeted to compete with the S70 Blackhawk family which while being a 11t helicopter only has a fully equipped troop capacity with side gunners similar to the AW139. IMHO a larger aircraft would be in the S90/H225M/NH90 size.

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  • EUFighter
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    Originally posted by ODIN View Post

    Is the figure on the Lynx correct?!? That's insane if so!!
    Was one zero too many, it should be 6050kg

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  • na grohmiti
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    Originally posted by ODIN View Post

    Is the figure on the Lynx correct?!? That's insane if so!!
    I'd say there's an extra zero there. The lynx was in the 5T heli bracket originally.

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  • ODIN
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    Originally posted by EUFighter View Post
    Leonardo Helicopter MTOW
    AW-09 2850kg
    AW-119M 3150kg
    AW-109M 3350kg
    AW-169M 4800kg
    AW-159M (Lynx/Wildcat) 60500kg
    AW-139M 7000kg
    AW-149M 8600kg
    NH-90 11000kg
    AW-101 15300kg
    Is the figure on the Lynx correct?!? That's insane if so!!

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  • DeV
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    Originally posted by gaff85 View Post
    So as per the commission and the need for larger aircraft are we looking at the 149 if we stay with AW?
    Well the explicit recommendations are:
    “…two additional medium lift rotary wing aircraft for enhanced Defence Forces support and priority ATCA taskings;
    • The ultimate replacement of the existing medium lift helicopter fleet with a fleet of eight super-medium helicopters;​”

    Both of those are “Accepted in principle” - “further consideration is required on the optimal approach to meeting the intent of the Commission.“




    if LOA3 is decided:
    “The overseas deployment of combat aircraft, pilots and support personnel to provide organic intra- theatre mobility based on tactical transport helicopters. Deployed forces would also have an organic helicopter combat SAR capability armed and equipped to operate in hostile environments;
    • ARW/SOF would have an organic self-sustainment capability, which would include dedicated combat helicopter assets to insert, operate and extract from mission areas.”

    both of these are revert of Government “revert to Government at a later stage with regard to this recommendation.” (These have to be a step up)






    so if we were to stay Leonardo, AW149/NH90/EH101

    not sure if 149 can be classed as “super medium”
    Last edited by DeV; 23 January 2023, 14:40.

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  • gaff85
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    So as per the commission and the need for larger aircraft are we looking at the 149 if we stay with AW?

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  • EUFighter
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    Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
    So the 169 is basically a bigger A109.
    Leonardo Helicopter MTOW
    AW-09 2850kg
    AW-119M 3150kg
    AW-109M 3350kg
    AW-169M 4800kg
    AW-159M (Lynx/Wildcat) 6050kg
    AW-139M 7000kg
    AW-149M 8600kg
    NH-90 11000kg
    AW-101 15300kg
    Last edited by EUFighter; 24 January 2023, 13:18.

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  • na grohmiti
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    So the 169 is basically a bigger A109.

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  • DeV
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    Originally posted by gaff85 View Post
    This surely has to be on the radar for Aw139 replacements https://www.thedefensepost.com/2023/...copters-italy/
    169 is smaller than 139, the larger of the Leonardo range is:

    AW149 (in the running as RAF Puma replacement)
    NH90
    AW101 (the EHI Merlin)

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  • GoneToTheCanner
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    Originally posted by CTU View Post
    AW149 (AW189 - Civil version) is larger then the AW139, the AW169 is smaller.
    didnt it start out as a -119? Touted as a Bell JetRanger replacement.

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  • CTU
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    AW149 (AW189 - Civil version) is larger then the AW139, the AW169 is smaller.

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  • na grohmiti
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    I always get mixed up. Is the AW169 bigger than the 139? Or Is the AW149 the smaller one?

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  • gaff85
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    This surely has to be on the radar for Aw139 replacements https://www.thedefensepost.com/2023/...copters-italy/

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