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  • Of course, but I suspect that a CS thought about it for a minute and said "Sod the Air Corps. Get a charter flight. Argue about it later". As for resources, you can go down that rabbit hole at your peril.

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    • We have had an inter departmental group looking at this for how long?

      then they pay a private consultant who tells them to charter or use a netjets type operation in the short term

      https://www.thejournal.ie/ministeria...2KEykGQGUaug7k

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      • So basically lets ask a car rental company whether we should buy a new car, or rent one....
        For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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        • In fairness, seems like a reasonable option for the amount of use MATS does relative to rest of AC. As was said ude it out of Dublin or Weston and divorce it completely from AC. Redeploy the pilots, aircrew and ground crews to other squadrons to build up numbers. Have Dept Taoiseach pay when needed and invest DoD funds to proper military transport.

          For an organisation the size of AC, MATS was always an odd inclusion that served the politicos egos more than providing a useful military capability.

          DoH already have aircraft on standby for out of hours transfers to UK so have already been done.
          Fate whispers to the warrior, "There is a storm coming"

          And the warrior whispers back "I am the storm".

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          • Originally posted by X-RayOne View Post
            In fairness, seems like a reasonable option for the amount of use MATS does relative to rest of AC. As was said ude it out of Dublin or Weston and divorce it completely from AC. Redeploy the pilots, aircrew and ground crews to other squadrons to build up numbers. Have Dept Taoiseach pay when needed and invest DoD funds to proper military transport.

            For an organisation the size of AC, MATS was always an odd inclusion that served the politicos egos more than providing a useful military capability.

            DoH already have aircraft on standby for out of hours transfers to UK so have already been done.
            Also, like the French GLAM,( their MATS), take the operating budget out of Dept of Taoiseach and/or Dept of Foreign Affairs, instead of burning Defence monies from a very limited base. Second crews for a two or three year rotation and send the rest back in to the Units. It would put manners on DoT/DFA civil servants if they suddenly had to actually run an aircraft department instead of lashing out at AC people who can't answer back, when a tech fault occurs.

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            • Originally posted by X-RayOne View Post
              In fairness, seems like a reasonable option for the amount of use MATS does relative to rest of AC. As was said ude it out of Dublin or Weston and divorce it completely from AC. Redeploy the pilots, aircrew and ground crews to other squadrons to build up numbers. Have Dept Taoiseach pay when needed and invest DoD funds to proper military transport.

              For an organisation the size of AC, MATS was always an odd inclusion that served the politicos egos more than providing a useful military capability.

              DoH already have aircraft on standby for out of hours transfers to UK so have already been done.
              If the AC had sufficient establishment of pilots, techs and others and funding (never mind strength) the services could be provided

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              • inter-Departmental MATS Review Group was established at least 7 years… and has now had to pay someone to give advise… when they are already paying a General do do so

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                • It best Civil Service tradition, if you never make a decision, you can never be blamed for making the wrong one. Get an outsider to do it, if it turns out to be wrong there’s the scapegoat.
                  'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
                  'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
                  Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
                  He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
                  http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html

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                  • Originally posted by Flamingo View Post
                    It best Civil Service tradition, if you never make a decision, you can never be blamed for making the wrong one. Get an outsider to do it, if it turns out to be wrong there’s the scapegoat.
                    It isn't a civil service tradition at all. Its government policy since the Troika were here.
                    For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                    • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post

                      It isn't a civil service tradition at all. Its government policy since the Troika were here.
                      Outside consultants were in favor before the Troika, Price-waterhouse report comes to mind.
                      It was the year of fire...the year of destruction...the year we took back what was ours.
                      It was the year of rebirth...the year of great sadness...the year of pain...and the year of joy.
                      It was a new age...It was the end of history.
                      It was the year everything changed.

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                      • Now we are using them before making any decision at all
                        For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                        • After seeing this I have an interesting thought:
                          https://www.businessinsider.com/see-...ate-jet-2020-6

                          What if all government ministers had to be able to fly themselves? I would make and exception for Micky D.

                          BTW the Dutch have recently bought some second hand jets for their VIP fleet. Never ones to throw money away the Ducth.

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                          • Micheal Martin says Ireland may need new government jet after flight suffers engine issue on US trip

                            https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/iris...-need-28059270

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                            • Reading the article, that isn't what he said at all. Typical tabloid clickbait article.
                              For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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