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  • #76
    Originally posted by Galloglass View Post
    Nigeria seems to be buying a Squadron of Scorpions......Just saying. [ATTACH]8019[/ATTACH]
    Well if the Nigerians bought it must therefore be brilliant!
    Everyone who's ever loved you was wrong.

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    • #77
      Originally posted by The real Jack View Post
      Well if the Nigerians bought it must therefore be brilliant!
      Just trying to get the thread back on course......Quite a few here seem to want aircraft fit to go attack Moscow.......I would like "something" which would enable the country to have a "presence" in the air to assist in policing the sky above our ever growing EEZ in peacetime........A political necessity. The Nigerians did have the good sense to buy NNS PROSPERITY after all. (smiley)

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      • #78
        Well since it will take at least some years to get operational, let's sit back, relax, build up a sensible radar network... and watch and see if the nigerians get a working air defence with these machines , or make fools of themselves...simples!
        "We will hold out until our last bullet is spent. Could do with some whiskey"
        Radio transmission, siege of Jadotville DR Congo. September 1961.
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        • #79
          Originally posted by Galloglass View Post
          Just trying to get the thread back on course......Quite a few here seem to want aircraft fit to go attack Moscow.......I would like "something" which would enable the country to have a "presence" in the air to assist in policing the sky above our ever growing EEZ in peacetime........A political necessity. The Nigerians did have the good sense to buy NNS PROSPERITY after all. (smiley)
          A Bear Bomber has 60 knots on a Scorpion, a 737 at max speed can out run it (even at cruising the Scorpion has less than 10 mph advantage), the 747's, 767's all have speed advantages over it. Haven't checked the Airbus versions but I'd guess the same. Even if we had the radar detection system to vector them in and based them in Shannon if the aircraft can just outfly them what policing are they doing, short of a shoot first policy?

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          • #80
            Originally posted by Galloglass View Post
            Just trying to get the thread back on course......Quite a few here seem to want aircraft fit to go attack Moscow.......I would like "something" which would enable the country to have a "presence" in the air to assist in policing the sky above our ever growing EEZ in peacetime........A political necessity. The Nigerians did have the good sense to buy NNS PROSPERITY after all. (smiley)
            Except that using that for "policing" anything faster than a PC9 is like trying to chase down a CLS Merc on your bicycle, on a motorway.

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            • #81
              Originally posted by Sparky42 View Post
              A Bear Bomber has 60 knots on a Scorpion, a 737 at max speed can out run it (even at cruising the Scorpion has less than 10 mph advantage), the 747's, 767's all have speed advantages over it
              Ah but can they outrun a sidewinder .
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              • #82
                Originally posted by FMP View Post
                Ah but can they outrun a sidewinder .
                Aircraft needs to be able to get into an engagement envelope to stick a sidewinder up the jacksie of a bear or 747 with a load of yanks off on their jollies to the emerald isle on board

                Realistically, if we want to be able to shoot things down then we need loadsa wonga to do so, integrated radar network, couple of zoomy zoom fighter zoomies, facilities to keep em in the air, trainers, etc. If we find the cash down the back of the couch then cool. Otherwise more choppers and some medium transport for the chaps in the Don please.
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                • #83
                  The Sidewinder has had all aspect attack for a good while

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by DeV View Post
                    The Sidewinder has had all aspect attack for a good while
                    Sure, but whose going to order a shoot down of a passenger liner without getting within escort range?

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by DeV View Post
                      The Sidewinder has had all aspect attack for a good while
                      At what range, you need to be very close!! the brochure figures do not reflect the real world range of an AAM.

                      A subsonic straight wing aircraft would have a very low probability of intercept against an aircraft at high altitude and high mach number.

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by Sparky42 View Post
                        Sure, but whose going to order a shoot down of a passenger liner without getting within escort range?
                        . See yer man over there on the left? Usually indicates a joke or perhaps not being serious or just having a chuckle.

                        Just had a thought though, were there not RBS 70's set up for old Liz and Obamas's visits? How were the crews of those supposed to get in "escort range" before deciding to send ordnance into some wayward aircraft?
                        We travel not for trafficking alone,
                        By hotter winds our fiery hearts are fanned,
                        For lust of knowing what should not be known,
                        We make the Golden Journey to Samarkand.

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by FMP View Post
                          . See yer man over there on the left? Usually indicates a joke or perhaps not being serious or just having a chuckle.

                          Just had a thought though, were there not RBS 70's set up for old Liz and Obamas's visits? How were the crews of those supposed to get in "escort range" before deciding to send ordnance into some wayward aircraft?
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                          Enda rings Phil Hogan
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                          Sure we'll be grand................

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