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  • #16
    Originally posted by meridian View Post
    I remember the controversy over the MLH project in the early 2000s. Could have been a completely different AC if they had managed to get them at the time... But what I'm interested to know, is how



    This isn't a dig or a jibe, just wondering if/how the AC got something wrong from their side? The Sikorsky/Eurocopter spat sounds like it was civil/political issue - offsets = jobs, therefore politicians say buy X rather than way - so would have been outside military thinking on the procurement. Yes/No? Thanks for any info, interested to know anymore of the back story on this.
    The S92 was the winning bid for the MLH tender not the Cougar or the Merlin. I think the Kamov also made it into the final as well. Alas there WAS political interference in the tender process which ultimately resulted in the contract being cancelled. All outside the control of the AC. Similarly as GTTC correctly says there WAS DoD interference in the Utility Helicopter Project with the front-runner the Blackhawk being ruled out early on in favour of the 139. So you appreciate why the AC don't receive a Christmas card from Sikorsky every year.
    Last edited by Pure Hover; 13 July 2015, 13:00.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by GoneToTheCanner View Post
      The Army wanted the Don to buy Blackhawks and there was a core of Donners up for this but this was shot down as "too warry" (genuine exact words used by a DoD civil servant,as told to me by someone on that scene). They were offered the Kamovs by McEvaddy, who was trying to offload a bunch of them,but there was no continuity of supply of spares,so it was treated as facetious nonsense by the DoD. The MI-8 and Cougar were also offered (more joke candidates) but The Army changed aim and looked at the Merlin and EH 101, which were having their own share of troubles at the time and the S-92 cropped up,but was having issues also. When the Donners and the Army saw the size of the cabin space of the S-92, they were well impressed, as well as it's ramp......the Don ultimately ended up with the hairdresser's Porsche and the civvies got the S-92............
      Blackhawk at the time had a analog cockpit. Brillcream boys in the Don wanted glass on there CV's

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      • #18
        It has to be said, (from experience) The Air Corps could f**k up a wet dream.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by sofa View Post
          Blackhawk at the time had a analog cockpit. Brillcream boys in the Don wanted glass on there CV's
          I think it was possibly a mixture (and see the Dauphin AAIU report why that is a bad idea)

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          • #20
            that was one of the excuses used to deny the UH 60 and it was bullshit because the type could have easily been upgraded to EFIS by the manufacturer. The tech was comparatively new at the time , in helicopters, but a change was easily done. It was not the gamechanger that has been suggested.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by sofa View Post
              Blackhawk at the time had a analog cockpit. Brillcream boys in the Don wanted glass on there CV's
              Guys lets not let facts get in the way of a good rumour!! All three aircraft tendered for the MLH met the technical requirements of the AC, the Minister at the time tried to play the company's off against each other and he screwed the whole thing up, in the end they had to cancel because the legal case would have run for years..

              The Blackhawk in both its "L Model" analog cockpit and "M Model" digital cockpit were offered along with a model of the S-76 and EC-145, the Dept Ruled the Blackhawk out.
              Last edited by Charlie252; 14 July 2015, 16:34.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Charlie252 View Post
                Guys lets not let facts get in the way of a good rumour!! All three aircraft tendered for the MLH met the technical requirements of the AC, the Minister at the time tried to play the company's off against each other and he screwed the whole thing up, in the end they had to cancel because the legal case would have run for years..

                The Blackhawk in both its "L Model" analog cockpit and "M Model" digital cockpit were offered along with a model of the S-76 and EC-145, the Dept Ruled the Blackhawk out.
                The Eurocopter design actually won the competition, Sikorsky were desperate to win and made the whole Team offer which was then accepted, and when Eurocopter found out the objected, legally the government didn't have a leg to stand on.

                The Ec 725 has recently won major competitions in poland and Mexico, so wasn't the disaster some think, while the EH 101 isnt the wonder aircraft some think.

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                • #23
                  Yes Paul but at the time the EC725 only existed on Paper. There was no flying version available to sit in, let alone fly. Instead eurocopter brought a Super Puma, with an addendum of how it would be different to the EC725.

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