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  • Originally posted by Sparky42 View Post

    Do you think FF/FG would risk the Greens taking the hump and bringing down the government?
    The greens won't bring down the govt for something they have no interest on. They'll abstain if anything, or schedule the debate on the specifics (if at all) when they are all away at a foreign green party think in, and because of pairing, the govt won't lose.
    Lets be honest here, SF and Labour have declared in principle their support for LOA2 and 3 once Pay and Conditions is tackled. Once this is enshrined in any spending increase, you could get a pass.
    But this isn't something that will face a dail vote. This won't go further than Cabinet approval, the initial non-fiscal recommendations will be commenced, with the house forewarned of an increase in the defence vote and why.
    The opposition will suggest amendments. Some will be agreed to. Some won't. Then you'll see how the numbers fall, and if the Greens are willing to risk political suicide (again) for something they have expressed zero interest in.
    For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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    • Originally posted by DeV View Post

      And the next Government being Sinn Fein who would pull us out of PESCO, EDA, PfP and the whole EU if they get the chance
      As NI demonstrates, In opposition SF say one thing. In government they do the opposite. Their stance in this area has changed dramatically in the last week or so. Look at the recent neutrality debate. SF were much more measured than usual. Even MLMcD has softened her tone to Micháel
      For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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      • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post

        As NI demonstrates, In opposition SF say one thing. In government they do the opposite. Their stance in this area has changed dramatically in the last week or so. Look at the recent neutrality debate. SF were much more measured than usual. Even MLMcD has softened her tone to Micháel
        They are populist in opposition, compare ROI stances with NI in Government

        they were anti-EU in RoI until Brexit

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        • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post

          The greens won't bring down the govt for something they have no interest on. They'll abstain if anything, or schedule the debate on the specifics (if at all) when they are all away at a foreign green party think in, and because of pairing, the govt won't lose.
          Lets be honest here, SF and Labour have declared in principle their support for LOA2 and 3 once Pay and Conditions is tackled. Once this is enshrined in any spending increase, you could get a pass.
          But this isn't something that will face a dail vote. This won't go further than Cabinet approval, the initial non-fiscal recommendations will be commenced, with the house forewarned of an increase in the defence vote and why.
          The opposition will suggest amendments. Some will be agreed to. Some won't. Then you'll see how the numbers fall, and if the Greens are willing to risk political suicide (again) for something they have expressed zero interest in.
          SF have changed their stance then because they were anti-militarisation

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          • Populist at the moment is Anti-Putin, Pro help and support to Ukraine "within reason".

            SF are very good at reading the entrails...
            'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
            'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
            Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
            He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
            http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html

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            • Originally posted by Flamingo View Post
              Populist at the moment is Anti-Putin, Pro help and support to Ukraine "within reason".

              SF are very good at reading the entrails...
              And deleting anything on their website that suggests otherwise...

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              • Do you not think that any offer of aid from the USA would not be conditional on NATO membership

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                • Originally posted by apc View Post
                  Do you not think that any offer of aid from the USA would not be conditional on NATO membership
                  Even FMS agreements have advantages

                  look at the list of countries that get the Excess Military Articles list…. One that jumps out is Moldova


                  https://www.dsca.mil/sites/default/f...020-06-15.xlsx

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                  • I suppose if you want to be tied into American equipment, get out the begging bowl

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                    • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
                      To a certain extent though, the same questions are being asked. Is a lower cost light fighter derived from a jet trainer a suitable stopgap measure while you await delivery of a moore modern type, and the infrastructure it requires?
                      From a Polish perspective, would it not also be similar to the war time plans the RAF had with the T1A Hawks in the closing stages of the cold war, where they would have had Tornadoes doing Long Range Intercepts and the Hawks doing Point Air Defence.
                      Last edited by CTU; 8 April 2022, 17:01.
                      It was the year of fire...the year of destruction...the year we took back what was ours.
                      It was the year of rebirth...the year of great sadness...the year of pain...and the year of joy.
                      It was a new age...It was the end of history.
                      It was the year everything changed.

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                      • A link to QRA over Scotland from 2009 to 2019 gives an idea about how many times we may have to react if we do have Mach 2 capable aircraft that can do QRA
                        https://assets.publishing.service.go...2019_12082.pdf
                        apc
                        Sergeant Major
                        Last edited by apc; 8 April 2022, 17:57.

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                        • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
                          To a certain extent though, the same questions are being asked. Is a lower cost light fighter derived from a jet trainer a suitable stopgap measure while you await delivery of a more modern type, and the infrastructure it requires?
                          I agree. The FA-50 is the best fighter / trainer option out there for the AC. Down the line, a move to Gripens or similar could be looked at

                          Attached Files
                          IRISH AIR CORPS - Serving the Nation.

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                          • By the same logic though, you could say a Leased Gripen C/D is a good stopgap until the E/F you purchased is delivered. The logistics required to get them operational is not much different than getting a KA50 into the Air Policing role.
                            We don't need a jet trainer to train fast jet pilots. We don't have the same security profile as Poland.
                            For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                            • And you can be guaranteed, any contracts signed will have Iron clad, training for both Aviators and technicians, ample supply of spares inbuilt, otherwise the Dept Procurement team are useless.
                              "Why am I using a new putter? Because the last one didn't float too well." -Craig Stadler

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                              • Originally posted by gaff85 View Post
                                And you can be guaranteed, any contracts signed will have Iron clad, training for both Aviators and technicians, ample supply of spares inbuilt, otherwise the Dept Procurement team are useless.
                                nah we will just wing it, in fairness how much more difficult can it be to operate a MACH 2 fighter than a prop plane , if we get the MACH 2 fighters can we do QRA straight away, ooh its so exciting

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