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  • Originally posted by GoneToTheCanner View Post

    Never, ever buy the Mk.1 of anything. The Yanks have deep pockets. Let them find and pay for fixing the flaws of the T7 before we have to. At least the Gripen is a mature platform that our people copuld easily adapt to, in fairly short order.
    It’s like nobody has ever learned from our past issues.

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    • If, hypothetically, we bought the Boeing T7 in the morning, Boeing would be all over us like a rash and we would soon be pressurised to buy Boeing, such as a 737 for airlift, Beech T6IIs for training, Boeing training and servicing and so on, allied to more purchases from the US (radar, army artillery, AFVs, firearms and so on) and you are then on the hook and you would be in a constant conflict with the EU. in may ways, American arms are very good but it's the political subtext when dealing with the US is hard work for Governments.

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      • Please forget the T-7 as a potential air patrol aircraft, it is not going to be made into a light weight fighter. Boeing did put out a single statement a very long time ago that they would like to develop it beyond its pure trainer role, as a possible light attack aircraft. That they mentioned F5's some here seems to think they will develop a full up fighter but that is not the case. They will put a set of wing tip & under wing pylons and a rudimentary weapons control computer, that is all. The aircraft will then be suitable to perform a light attack role such as what Alpha jets do today.

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        • Originally posted by EUFighter View Post
          Please forget the T-7 as a potential air patrol aircraft, it is not going to be made into a light weight fighter. Boeing did put out a single statement a very long time ago that they would like to develop it beyond its pure trainer role, as a possible light attack aircraft. That they mentioned F5's some here seems to think they will develop a full up fighter but that is not the case. They will put a set of wing tip & under wing pylons and a rudimentary weapons control computer, that is all. The aircraft will then be suitable to perform a light attack role such as what Alpha jets do today.
          It wasnt mentioned as an air patrol aircraft, I put it forward as the next step in the training Pilar before full air patrol jets.
          "Why am I using a new putter? Because the last one didn't float too well." -Craig Stadler

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          • Originally posted by gaff85 View Post

            It wasnt mentioned as an air patrol aircraft, I put it forward as the next step in the training Pilar before full air patrol jets.
            Waste of money so. Pilatus is already the "next step". You learn to fly in a PC9-M, then do sim hours to familiarise with whatever your Air Policing aircraft will be, start off flying the 2 seat variant, get checked out, then single seat.
            That's how most do it. The days of the "advanced trainer" are gone. LIFT is an option if you want to keep your fighter training hours down and save them for operational flying.
            Norway operates a tiny SAAB MFI15 for flying training, then ships its pilots off to the US where they learn how to fly the F35A (which does not come in 2 seater). Denmark does the exact same, though it does still use 2 seat F16B until all its F35 are delivered.
            For now, everything hangs on the CoDF report, which is published, but after discussion with parties in government will probably commence being implemented in May or June.

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            • It seems that the Colombian Air Force is going to buy a mix of TA50's and FA50's to replace their fleet of T/A37's. Talk is of 20 aircraft for $600m but this could expand as next year they also plan to start retiring their fleet of Kfir C7's.
              (unit price $30m)

              Also the Brazilians have ordered more JAS-39's, four this time bringing the order to 40 aircraft. It is expected that they will soon order a new larger batch of around 30 aircraft for $1.8bn.
              (unit price $60m)

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              • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post

                Waste of money so. Pilatus is already the "next step". You learn to fly in a PC9-M, then do sim hours to familiarise with whatever your Air Policing aircraft will be, start off flying the 2 seat variant, get checked out, then single seat.
                That's how most do it. The days of the "advanced trainer" are gone. LIFT is an option if you want to keep your fighter training hours down and save them for operational flying.
                Norway operates a tiny SAAB MFI15 for flying training, then ships its pilots off to the US where they learn how to fly the F35A (which does not come in 2 seater). Denmark does the exact same, though it does still use 2 seat F16B until all its F35 are delivered.
                Like many NATO countries both the pilots from Norway and Denmark undergo a full USAF pilot training when they are in the US. This means the fly the T-6 and the T-38 as part of their program before type conversion to the F35's.

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                • Originally posted by EUFighter View Post
                  It seems that the Colombian Air Force is going to buy a mix of TA50's and FA50's to replace their fleet of T/A37's. Talk is of 20 aircraft for $600m but this could expand as next year they also plan to start retiring their fleet of Kfir C7's.
                  (unit price $30m)

                  Also the Brazilians have ordered more JAS-39's, four this time bringing the order to 40 aircraft. It is expected that they will soon order a new larger batch of around 30 aircraft for $1.8bn.
                  (unit price $60m)
                  No-one ever pays full "sticker price" for any aircraft. You can be sure the real price per hull is a closely guarded secret but it's well down on 60M per hull and there will be sweeteners and costs buried in the support package.

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                  • Of course, Brazil (Embraer) are also assembling either a portion of the aircraft, or a number of the overall order as part of their deal
                    For now, everything hangs on the CoDF report, which is published, but after discussion with parties in government will probably commence being implemented in May or June.

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                    • At todays Slándáil National Security Summit Ireland, Lockheed Martin gave a presentation on the F-16 new and second hand, and F/A 50, for LOA 2, 2.5 and 3 levels of ambition of the CoDF. Not sure what was contained in the presentation, a certain amount of manufacturer slideware undoubtedly, but brilliant to see none the less. Where it goes is for the next few weeks to reveal, whether that's nowhere, to be considered in the future or an actual commitment

                      * https://twitter.com/Karl16737146/sta...Czmc7v78IqAAAA

                      Thanks to SenanG170 on Twitter for this.

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                      • It's interesting that the manufacturers are interested in us.
                        For now, everything hangs on the CoDF report, which is published, but after discussion with parties in government will probably commence being implemented in May or June.

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                        • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
                          It's interesting that the manufacturers are interested in us.
                          A sale is a sale. Plus, there may be some subtitle hints from the US State Department that Ireland's airspace is a big empty hole, it might be a good time to look at filling it.
                          'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
                          'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
                          Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
                          He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
                          http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html

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                          • Originally posted by Flamingo
                            This smacks of someone figuring out a way that politicians can take advantage of the €500 cake...
                            No, this is new. DoD are being meticulous with allocation of the €500m. it it hasn't been expressly mentioned in the CoDF recommendations, it isn't happening.
                            For now, everything hangs on the CoDF report, which is published, but after discussion with parties in government will probably commence being implemented in May or June.

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                            • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post

                              No, this is new. DoD are being meticulous with allocation of the €500m. it it hasn't been expressly mentioned in the CoDF recommendations, it isn't happening.
                              That won’t stop people from trying.
                              'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
                              'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
                              Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
                              He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
                              http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html

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                              • Originally posted by Flamingo View Post
                                That won’t stop people from trying.
                                Will stop recommendations getting to Government

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