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  • Abbeyshrule,.........is that not where we are hiding our F-35s, hopefully none were spotted.

    The incident goes to show what we discuss a few times that the need for primary radar and aircraft to police our skies are needed for things other than the odd Russian Bear.

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    • Well don’t think we will be sending pilots to the RAF to train for a while (maybe why they were sent to US & Australia?)

      https://www.pprune.org/military-avia...ver-again.html

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      • I do remember reading before this document became public that the UK had been approached to train our pilots, but declined, as they were struggling to fulfil their own obligations. It may have been mentioned in one of the FOI from earlier in the year.
        It never made sense to me that an air arm the size of the RAF would choose to farm out their flying training to civvy contractors. That's more like something a small force, like ours should be doing. Much of it seems to be down to the retirement of Tucano, the phasing out of Hawk, and the absence of any modern UK built aircraft to replace either type.

        The question begs though, if the RAF are struggling to get pilots in the air, who is protecting Irish sovereign airspace?
        For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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        • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
          I do remember reading before this document became public that the UK had been approached to train our pilots, but declined, as they were struggling to fulfil their own obligations. It may have been mentioned in one of the FOI from earlier in the year.
          It never made sense to me that an air arm the size of the RAF would choose to farm out their flying training to civvy contractors. That's more like something a small force, like ours should be doing. Much of it seems to be down to the retirement of Tucano, the phasing out of Hawk, and the absence of any modern UK built aircraft to replace either type.

          The question begs though, if the RAF are struggling to get pilots in the air, who is protecting Irish sovereign airspace?
          The RAF civvy training contract has been a disaster and it led to quite a few cadets either not completing or being put on hold after Basic flight training and being given odd jobs to tide them over, so much so that many candidates quit out of sheer frustration. The same also applies to the civvy recruitment system for ordinary soldiers, which has also left junior entrants in a hold pool awaiting slots in Line units. While a lot of functions, such as aircraft line ops, servicing and overhaul have long since been farmed out and are working well, the current system is an abject failure and not a good example to follow. Incidentally, Beech, when offering the T6 II, offered to conduct their training for our cadets with just four airframes, based on a US-style cadet screening/streaming system.

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