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  • Originally posted by DeV View Post
    Possibly increase price yes but advantage is that rather than going overseas that a domestic business is guaranteed increased business (now it could well be foreign owned but it secures jobs)

    Offsets were definitely allowed under EU Public Procurement legislation not sure if that situation has changed.
    If the domestic business was competitive then it would have no problem on the open market.

    Military offsets are allowed by EU rules.

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    • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
      While we do have a very large aviation repair and leasing industry here, what could that offer to an Offset? It isn't like we can manufacture airframes ourselves. (And Bombardier pulled the plug in NI).
      Would a crossborder offset be a runner? Let Bombardier assemble Gripens (or Saab 340 AEW&C) for export, speed up their own deliveries?
      Bombardier in NI are being acquired by Spirit Aerosystems (https://www.bizjournals.com/wichita/...-deal-set.html)
      What are you cackling at, fatty? Too much pie, that's your problem.

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      • Originally posted by EUFighter View Post
        If the domestic business was competitive then it would have no problem on the open market.

        Military offsets are allowed by EU rules.
        Or they could get work that potentially could have gone to a different country

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        • You also have to deal with technology security. If you bought an American product, such as the engine on the Gripen, they'd have the last laugh and could refuse to supply you with spares, if they needed to pressurise your govt on something of interest to them.

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          • Originally posted by GoneToTheCanner View Post
            You also have to deal with technology security. If you bought an American product, such as the engine on the Gripen, they'd have the last laugh and could refuse to supply you with spares, if they needed to pressurise your govt on something of interest to them.
            Isn't the engine on the earlier versions a Volvo copy of an American engine?
            German 1: Private Schnutz, I have bad news for you.
            German 2: Private? I am a general!
            German 1: That is the bad news.

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            • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
              Isn't the engine on the earlier versions a Volvo copy of an American engine?
              The Gripen A-D have the GE F404 engine while the newer Gripen E-F has the newer larger GE F414

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              • Back in the days of the Viggen, the engine was a Volvo version of the common Pratt and Whitney JT-8, but, allegedly, when the Swedish touted the Viggen worldwide and recieved many positive responses, the US stepped in and vetoed sales of the licensed engine, claiming that technology would be vulnerable to theft if they sold it worldwide. This was horseshit as the engine was widely available anyway, courtesy of the B737 and other aircraft but that was the socalled story. Other sources pointed to aspects of the radarthat the US wanted to keep secret and the engine was used as the cover story, so the Viggen went nowhere, despite being an excellent aircraft.

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                • The Finns have a good website on their HX Fighter project:
                  https://www.defmin.fi/en/administrat...ogram#0b93e1e6

                  Embedded is a report on why they are running the project witha lot of background information:
                  https://www.defmin.fi/files/3178/Pre...rnet_Fleet.pdf

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                  • Status update on the Korean K-FX fighter which might be one of the few fighters in production if and when we ever decide to procure an air defence fighter.

                    https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...y-taking-shape
                    Last edited by EUFighter; 5 September 2020, 10:47.

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                    • Originally posted by EUFighter View Post
                      The Finns have a good website on their HX Fighter project:
                      https://www.defmin.fi/en/administrat...ogram#0b93e1e6

                      Embedded is a report on why they are running the project witha lot of background information:
                      https://www.defmin.fi/files/3178/Pre...rnet_Fleet.pdf
                      Let’s get the Finns to do all our procure
                      Excellent well thought out assessment

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                      • Originally posted by DeV View Post
                        Let’s get the Finns to do all our procure
                        Excellent well thought out assessment
                        Anyone can do better than us when we do nothing. Even the Czech Lease option worked out well for them as they get 14 modern fighters for 12 years for below €1Bn. An outright purchase could have caused difficulty as their up to then thriving economy struggled after the Financial Crisis of 2007-2010

                        https://www.airforce-technology.com/...ublic-4467566/

                        How long more will we sit on our hands?
                        German 1: Private Schnutz, I have bad news for you.
                        German 2: Private? I am a general!
                        German 1: That is the bad news.

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                        • Let's be honest it's not up to us, as if the government had it there way the df would be a glorified gendarmerie. I think the only way the defence spending and procurement goes up, all the depends now on how much pressure the EU push for it to go.

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                          • Austria has agreed to discuss the sale of their Eurofighters

                            https://www.defense-aerospace.com/ar...indonesia.html

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                            • With the latest carry on from the UK nobody else will want them (except maybe a well bribed Gulf state). It is hard to find a Eurofighter sale that hasn't been tainted somewhat.
                              Given how the Saab Draken served Austria so well over the years, can we take it as Given that they would be the next Gripen customer? They got prices for 18 Airframes recently for another Lease/buy agreement.
                              German 1: Private Schnutz, I have bad news for you.
                              German 2: Private? I am a general!
                              German 1: That is the bad news.

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                              • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
                                With the latest carry on from the UK nobody else will want them (except maybe a well bribed Gulf state). It is hard to find a Eurofighter sale that hasn't been tainted somewhat.
                                Given how the Saab Draken served Austria so well over the years, can we take it as Given that they would be the next Gripen customer? They got prices for 18 Airframes recently for another Lease/buy agreement.
                                First Austria has to get an agreement no only with Indonesia but also with the four Eurofighter partner nations and Airbus to allow the sale.
                                As of today they have not launched a Tender for the replacement and that could take several years to complete. When that happens the two leading contenders will be the Gripen and the Viper but there could be a wild card from Eurofighter with a upgrade package to keep Austria in the Eurofighter family.

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