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  • Sparky42
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    Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
    https://www.defensenews.com/global/a...fighter-fleet/

    Indonesia has decided it wants to buy all Austria's Typhoons, only in service since 2002 (with a huge cloud over the purchase) and a decision made to ground them from this year made in 2017.
    This also removed the political issues that would have arisen had Indonesia gone ahead with its intended purchase of SU 35, from Russia.

    Next question.. what will Austria replace them with? They were one of the last operational users of the Saab Draken.
    Hasn't Austria already announced they were going for lease to avoid holding a new tender? If so and given costs were a factor in their standing down the Typhoons, then I'd say either Gripen or F16's

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  • na grohmiti
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    Indonesia’s interest in the fleet comes two weeks after the surprise announcement that the U.S. State Department cleared the country to buy the Bell-Boeing MV-22 tilt-rotor aircraft.


    Indonesia has decided it wants to buy all Austria's Typhoons, only in service since 2002 (with a huge cloud over the purchase) and a decision made to ground them from this year made in 2017.
    This also removed the political issues that would have arisen had Indonesia gone ahead with its intended purchase of SU 35, from Russia.

    Next question.. what will Austria replace them with? They were one of the last operational users of the Saab Draken.

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  • EUFighter
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    Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
    Someone in the Air Corps is trolling the DoD I think.
    Last week:
    Air Corps Insta stories shows clip taken from inside PC12 of Swiss F/A18 in close formation.
    Yesterday
    Air Corps Insta stories shows clip taken from inside PC12 of French Rafale in close formation.

    I'll be very disappointed if they don't do a Gripen next week.
    Before the Grippen formation is there not the U-28A in close formation with a pair of F-35's in close formation?

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  • na grohmiti
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    Someone in the Air Corps is trolling the DoD I think.
    Last week:
    Air Corps Insta stories shows clip taken from inside PC12 of Swiss F/A18 in close formation.
    Yesterday
    Air Corps Insta stories shows clip taken from inside PC12 of French Rafale in close formation.

    I'll be very disappointed if they don't do a Gripen next week.

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  • EUFighter
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    Yet another Ryanair jet gets a fighter escort.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/passenger-...153026-Jul2020

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  • CTU
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    Originally posted by apc View Post
    Your Future
    I fear this will also be the future discussion with the Parish Pump come election times.

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  • apc
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    Your Future
    Last edited by apc; 16 July 2020, 20:47.

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  • DeV
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    Relevant legislation
    The electronic Irish Statute Book (eISB) comprises the Acts of the Oireachtas (Parliament), Statutory Instruments, Legislation Directory, Constitution and a limited number of pre-1922 Acts.

    The electronic Irish Statute Book (eISB) comprises the Acts of the Oireachtas (Parliament), Statutory Instruments, Legislation Directory, Constitution and a limited number of pre-1922 Acts.


    The electronic Irish Statute Book (eISB) comprises the Acts of the Oireachtas (Parliament), Statutory Instruments, Legislation Directory, Constitution and a limited number of pre-1922 Acts.

    The electronic Irish Statute Book (eISB) comprises the Acts of the Oireachtas (Parliament), Statutory Instruments, Legislation Directory, Constitution and a limited number of pre-1922 Acts.

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  • Anzac
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    Originally posted by EUFighter View Post
    Legally there is a big difference traditionally armed aircraft and one which has sigint and comint gear.
    Yes international law doesn't really have much to say on espionage.

    Originally posted by EUFighter View Post
    So the controller could allow the Bear to cross Irish sovereign airspace and not allow the Typhoons to follow.
    The controller could allow it if there had been a DAC previously filed by the Russians to the Irish Government if it was a military aircraft and the command pilot gave the controller the DCN to validate it.

    Originally posted by EUFighter View Post
    If that was the case the RAF would be having kittens while the Russian play.
    I would assume they would have a DCN code as well to give the controller after all it would be all part of the agreement whereby the RAF are policing Irish skies for Ireland's benefit.

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  • GoneToTheCanner
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    Any Bear type aircraft will have it's own defensive cannons loaded before take off,plus you have no idea what kind of ordnance it may be carrying in it's bomb bay, so you have to assume it's armed, in the same way that you assume a Naval warship is armed (but not combat ready) when it arrives on a peaceful visit. If a Bear declared an emergency in flight, as it passed down our West coast, we would be duty bound to render assistance, regardless of it's military origin.

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  • CTU
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    Originally posted by EUFighter View Post
    Legally there is a big difference traditionally armed aircraft and one which has sigint and comint gear.

    So the controller could allow the Bear to cross Irish sovereign airspace and not allow the Typhoons to follow.
    If that was the case the RAF would be having kittens while the Russian play.
    Ireland is not a member of the Military Open Skies Treaty, and if a Aircraft Suddenly appeared on secondary radar requesting clearance across Ireland (Sovereign Airspace) I would be very surprised if ATC just said sure why not, unless it was for an Emergency Landing at a well known west coast airport (Which some people suggest might be a suitable location for AC QRA).

    It does though raise a number of questions about the legal standing of the so called "secret" deal between RAF and the Irish Government, if god forbid the worst case scenario happened that required a shoot down over Ireland.

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  • na grohmiti
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    Originally posted by DeV View Post
    That doesn’t necessarily mean that Russian Subs were in the area specifically, just the North East Atlantic
    We will never know.

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  • EUFighter
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    Originally posted by Anzac View Post
    It might be unarmed with traditional weapons, but "armed" with electronic warfare, sigint and comint gear. Which is becoming more of an issue for force planners in the air defence domain.
    Legally there is a big difference traditionally armed aircraft and one which has sigint and comint gear.

    So the controller could allow the Bear to cross Irish sovereign airspace and not allow the Typhoons to follow.
    If that was the case the RAF would be having kittens while the Russian play.

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  • DeV
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    Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
    Probably something like this.
    Bomb threat

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  • DeV
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    Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
    Let's just remindourselves what one of the most recent visitors from Russia was up to over the Porcupine Bank.


    https://nuclearcompanion.com/tupolev...unions-tacamo/
    That doesn’t necessarily mean that Russian Subs were in the area specifically, just the North East Atlantic

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