CASA Replacement

[DeV]

It does DeV. In fact with 15 tonnes payload / 8 463L pallets it can. Beirut is 2115nm from Dublin. Check that fact sheet above again.

I stand corrected, too early and not enough coffee

[DeV]

the C295s will allegedly be capable of rapid changeover to plain cargo/para/casevac. Allegedly. Not in the real world,though.

Don’t think it is intended, the C295s will have a much more capable MPA fit out and will have an improved (and more useful (over current situation)) transport capability with it still fitted.

will it be able to carry the full spectrum of what we transport on an annual basis, no.

[GoneToTheCanner]

the "improved transport capability" is simply a longer fuselage and a few more airline seats and a few more feet on the tie down rails. Somebody in DoD is determined the AC transport ability remains at token levels, hence a PC-12 as a box carrier.

[Sparky42]

15 Tonnes is perfect, 120 troops and a lot of baggage, ideal company size transport.

That Factsheet is gold dust should be sent to the Cabinet and the Sec Gen DOD along with a Picture of a Mowag driving out of a C-130..

You could stick it up on a billboard outside all Government buildings and it would make no difference.

[DeV]

You could stick it up on a billboard outside all Government buildings and it would make no difference.

Or on a blue and yellow bus and drive it through said building

[DeV]

the "improved transport capability" is simply a longer fuselage and a few more airline seats and a few more feet on the tie down rails. Somebody in DoD is determined the AC transport ability remains at token levels, hence a PC-12 as a box carrier.

Yes and no

but in fairness that is what we are looking for in a transport, something that can carry troops/cargo

[Charlie252]

I've seen the AC powerpoint briefing on the new aircraft. Impressive is not the word.They will be a huge leap up in terms of capability and range.And No.They will NOT just be used to fly over fishing boats.

Can you give some detail??

[apod]

Can you give some detail??

Not on an open forum like this. Internal AC Presentation up on IKON.

[Graylion]

I have been looking at the C-295 Persuader as an MPA and as far as I can see, it is very much a bird for what we are doing with it. Control of the EEZ. What it is not, is suitable for ASW. It appears to be missing any kind of MAD capability as well as the ability to deploy sonoboys.

So if we got serious about not having Russian subs interfering with the Intarwebs around here, we'd need something more serious. SAAB Swordfish Q400 springs to mind.

[DeV]

The C295 can have MAD and sonobuoy dispenser fitted just not our versions

[apod]

MOD: MPA Thread Merged with this one. There is already one thread to discuss the replacement of the current Casa 235 and it's replacement the C-295. That is sufficient.
Also seeing as the C-295 will not be solely used as an MPA the subject is moot. Attempts to open an further new threads on this subject will incur sanctions.
Carry on.

[Graylion]

The C295 can have MAD and sonobuoy dispenser fitted just not our versions

It is damnably hard to get any kind of info on this. Glad to hear it though. Do we have the civvie wings or the ones with hard[points?

[DeV]

It is damnably hard to get any kind of info on this. Glad to hear it though. Do we have the civvie wings or the ones with hard[points?

quick Google tells me Chile has them

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2011-04-08/airbus-military-delivers-first-c295-asw%3famp

[Jetjock]

I have been looking at the C-295 Persuader as an MPA and as far as I can see, it is very much a bird for what we are doing with it. Control of the EEZ. What it is not, is suitable for ASW. It appears to be missing any kind of MAD capability as well as the ability to deploy sonoboys.

So if we got serious about not having Russian subs interfering with the Intarwebs around here, we'd need something more serious. SAAB Swordfish Q400 springs to mind.

The Swordfish concept has been quietly shelved and is no longer marketed by Saab.

MAD and Sonobuoy are both options on C295, as indeed is the capability to deploy torpedoes against any contacts encountered. The aircraft, while not in the realm of the Poseidon, is scalable in terms of capability.

An interesting point to note - all operators of the P-8 (with the exception of India) have opted not to install a MAD boom.

[Graylion]

The Swordfish concept has been quietly shelved and is no longer marketed by Saab.

And they would reach into he shelf and dust it off in a heartbeat if somebody showed interest. They are just currently not spending any money on marketing

MAD and Sonobuoy are both options on C295, as indeed is the capability to deploy torpedoes against any contacts encountered. The aircraft, while not in the realm of the Poseidon, is scalable in terms of capability.

An interesting point to note - all operators of the P-8 (with the exception of India) have opted not to install a MAD boom.

Yes, because the idea is for the P-8 to use MAD-equipped drones that are launched from the sonobuoy racks. A 737 is not good at flying low n slow..