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  • CASA Replacement

    Maritime Patrol a/c RFP published

    Primary role maritime surveillance, may also be used for air ambulance, evacuation, transport, SAR and MATS

    Deadline 20 June 18 (followed by restricted tendering)

    Intended that the a/c will provide a degree of utility for transport of personnel and cargo for general and routine logs support for DF and specific support to ARW. Capable of supporting existing Joint Common Operational Picture.

    Annual fleet output of up to 3000 hours

    Single a/c type or multiple variants of single type

    Existing proven product not a prototype
    Full digital avonics
    Suitable for use in Irish EEZ and continental shelf
    Multi-engine
    Pressurised

    Operate 500nm off shore with 4 hour loiter plus standard reserve

    STOL
    360 degree surface search radar (200nm range), EO Camera, AIS, 2 observer windows
    Toilet, galley, rest area
    3 droppable life rafts, flares and markers

    Para ops
    CASEVAC

    Min 6 tonnes of cargo / at least 20 fully equipped troops

    Fully NATO and PfP interoperable

  • #2
    Forgive my ignorance but any suggestion as to whether it's a straight 1 for 1 replacement or transport and MPA's?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Sparky42 View Post
      Forgive my ignorance but any suggestion as to whether it's a straight 1 for 1 replacement or transport and MPA's?
      Strangely there is no indication of the quantity

      It can be
      (a) a single variant (eg a palletised maritime surveillance suite), or
      (b) multiple variants of the same type (eg a (fixed) maritime surveillance a/c and a transport a/c but they must be the same type (for example we could get 2 blue CASAs and 1 green))

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      • #4
        Originally posted by DeV View Post
        Strangely there is no indication of the quantity
        So an initial order with the opportunity to exercise further options as per the naval OPVs?

        The P60s started off as a firm requirement of two?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Orion View Post
          So an initial order with the opportunity to exercise further options as per the naval OPVs?

          The P60s started off as a firm requirement of two?
          no there is absolutely no indication it will probably be had restricted tender stage

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Orion View Post
            So an initial order with the opportunity to exercise further options as per the naval OPVs?

            The P60s started off as a firm requirement of two?
            Wasn't that a bit different with the original contract having the option for the third ship, leave p64 out of it.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Sparky42 View Post
              Wasn't that a bit different with the original contract having the option for the third ship, leave p64 out of it.
              That's my point. In this case numbers aren't mentioned so options can be introduced later on? Just a thought.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Orion View Post
                That's my point. In this case numbers aren't mentioned so options can be introduced later on? Just a thought.
                I suspect that the RFP could be see how much and what is offered before the RFT says how many

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                • #9
                  Would look to me like Casa CN235 again or C295.

                  Outsider maybe a C27J.

                  Para capability/ARW support would seem to make a converted Bizjet / Regional airliner unlikely.

                  Small cargo/troop capability means they're not looking for a C130 variant.
                  Last edited by pym; 14 May 2018, 23:04.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by pym View Post
                    Would look to me like Casa CN235 again or C295.
                    6 tonnes would appear to be C235 capacity, not sure about the range

                    Para capability/ARW support would seem to make a converted Bizjet / Regional airliner unlikely.
                    and lifeboat dropping

                    Small cargo/troop capability means they're not looking for a C130 variant.
                    thats the minimum

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                    • #11
                      Sounds Like a C-295 Capacity and Range

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by DeV View Post
                        Maritime Patrol a/c RFP published

                        Primary role maritime surveillance, may also be used for air ambulance, evacuation, transport, SAR and MATS

                        Deadline 20 June 18 (followed by restricted tendering)

                        Intended that the a/c will provide a degree of utility for transport of personnel and cargo for general and routine logs support for DF and specific support to ARW. Capable of supporting existing Joint Common Operational Picture.

                        Annual fleet output of up to 3000 hours

                        Single a/c type or multiple variants of single type

                        Existing proven product not a prototype
                        Full digital avonics
                        Suitable for use in Irish EEZ and continental shelf
                        Multi-engine
                        Pressurised

                        Operate 500nm off shore with 4 hour loiter plus standard reserve

                        STOL
                        360 degree surface search radar (200nm range), EO Camera, AIS, 2 observer windows
                        Toilet, galley, rest area
                        3 droppable life rafts, flares and markers

                        Para ops
                        CASEVAC

                        Min 6 tonnes of cargo / at least 20 fully equipped troops

                        Fully NATO and PfP interoperable
                        Up to 3000 annual flying hours is the interesting part. A 1:1 replacement ratio would not work if that was the aspiration so hopefully it is a sign that they are realistically in the market for at least 4 airframes. The C-295W looks like a strong contender.

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                        • #13
                          Any chance of a link to the published document?

                          @Anzac - The current Casa's are doing barely 300 hrs per year.

                          There won't be 4 aircraft. It will be two with an option of a third. Key words being "up to".

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Chuck View Post
                            Any chance of a link to the published document?

                            @Anzac - The current Casa's are doing barely 300 hrs per year.

                            There won't be 4 aircraft. It will be two with an option of a third. Key words being "up to".
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                            Operational hours (doesn’t includ training etc)
                            2016 - 907 Hrs (plus unknown hours for 34 ATCA missions)
                            2015 - 1247 Hrs
                            2014 - 1525 Hrs
                            2013 - 1649 Hrs
                            2012 - 1428 Hrs

                            There may have been an aircraft out of service in 2016

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by DeV View Post
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                              Operational hours (doesn’t includ training etc)
                              2016 - 907 Hrs (plus unknown hours for 34 ATCA missions)
                              2015 - 1247 Hrs
                              2014 - 1525 Hrs
                              2013 - 1649 Hrs
                              2012 - 1428 Hrs

                              There may have been an aircraft out of service in 2016
                              Thanks Dev.

                              Not sure when the hours for 2017 will be released but expect them to be lower than 2016.

                              Servicability and reliability are becoming a major issue and if rumours are to be believed, the CASA replacement programme is being prioritised over the MRV programme as a result. And rightly so.

                              Hopefully the DOD will get their finger out and not drag the arse out of this tender as they did with the cessna replacement tender.

                              Contracts signed by mid to end of 2019 and first aircraft in 2020 followed by another in 2021 is my guess.

                              The pool of candidates is quite small so it shouldn't take a long time to put together. Interoperability with NATO/PfP missions can be almost copy and pasted from the cessna replacement tender.

                              Would be great to see something procured with a decent airlift ability but its unlikely. Casa 295 would be my guess. Its an easier sell to the public to say you upgraded your ford focus with another newer ford focus rather than something a bit more 'premium' or expensive.

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