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  • I am struggling to understand how an Irish based aviation management firm Seraph Aviation which owns and leases aircraft cannot sell two used aircraft to its own Government because it will somehow be ultra vires to EU law. When just recently the same government bought two used patrol vessels from another state on the other side of the world. Actually, I just think that is political spin to deflect doing anything constructive with respect to the air corps.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/seraph-avi...04022-Nov2021/

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    • quite simply, the EU has shown that it can bend it's own rules to ship kit to Ukraine as and when it pleases and normal rules of disposal of equipment are being cast aside, yet we can't get two simple Casas when we badly need them.

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      • Originally posted by GoneToTheCanner View Post
        quite simply, the EU has shown that it can bend it's own rules to ship kit to Ukraine as and when it pleases and normal rules of disposal of equipment are being cast aside, yet we can't get two simple Casas when we badly need them.
        Ukraine afaik aren’t purchasing anything and in this context it is the purchaser who has to ensure that they are in keeping with the legislation.

        there is provision for some purchases to be completely exempt for national security reasons for example

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        • Originally posted by GoneToTheCanner View Post
          quite simply, the EU has shown that it can bend it's own rules to ship kit to Ukraine as and when it pleases and normal rules of disposal of equipment are being cast aside, yet we can't get two simple Casas when we badly need them.
          You are right about the EU being able/willing to change it's rules as things change, however as before it's the perfect excuse for departments/governments for doing/not doing something and passing the buck. Nobody blinked when we picked up the fourth PC12 even though that was unplanned, and we were the ones that turned down the fifth one, nobody would have blinked if we had picked up the two CASA's at the time either, but clearly someone in the department didn't want to so killed it and blamed "the EU" for it.

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          • Originally posted by Sparky42 View Post

            You are right about the EU being able/willing to change it's rules as things change, however as before it's the perfect excuse for departments/governments for doing/not doing something and passing the buck. Nobody blinked when we picked up the fourth PC12 even though that was unplanned, and we were the ones that turned down the fifth one, nobody would have blinked if we had picked up the two CASA's at the time either, but clearly someone in the department didn't want to so killed it and blamed "the EU" for it.
            Same with the fourth P60. Nobody looked for it, it wasn't part of the Tender, we didn't have the establishment to crew it, let alone the crew. Someone just decided to buy it, completely at odds with the NS ship replacement plans.
            For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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            • The Brits were the ones who introduced a lot of the regulations in the EU related to Defence purchases, enough said there! But it is amazing that in France almost always French made equipment is purchased, in Germany German, in Italy Italian .............. No one said anything recently whenPoland just decided to buy a massive amount of equipment from Korea. Did they put it out to tender, no they just bought what they wanted. And there was nothing stopping us from issuing a requirement a a turboprop transport aircraft capable of airdrops for immediate delivery. If Leonardo came back with a lower offer then fantastic but we know that is not how the DoD ticks.

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              • Ireland's best Journalist Michael O'Toole reporting today in The Star that a third C295 is to be purchased for Military transport.

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                For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                • Sigh...OK.

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                  • One is a start. More would be useful.
                    What are you cackling at, fatty? Too much pie, that's your problem.

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                    • Originally posted by Rocinante View Post
                      Sigh...OK.
                      Would you prefer not to buy anything?

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                      • Originally posted by Sparky42 View Post

                        Would you prefer not to buy anything?
                        Not that, but I hoped someone might have some vision and get either 1-2 Herks but if not that at least 2-3 C295's, don't get me wrong this is good, but we can do better aswell.

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                        • This is Ireland. Baby steps. We have 50% more medium range transport than we had, and the aircraft is bigger than what we had, with longer range. No more diverting maritime patrol assets to transport or MATS backup.
                          For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                          • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
                            This is Ireland. Baby steps. We have 50% more medium range transport than we had, and the aircraft is bigger than what we had, with longer range. No more diverting maritime patrol assets to transport or MATS backup.
                            And nobody suggested we couldn’t buy one as there was no place to park it…

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                            • Air Corps set to get new multi-million euro transport plane to fly soldiers around the world for peace missions - Irish Mirror Online
                              For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                              • A quick solution would be to strip out the mission equipment of one of the existing CN 235s, when the first 295 arrives and use the aircraft as a plain vanilla cargo/pax combi in the interim period.

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