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  • Transport C295 would be affordable & offer commonality but ex-RAF C130J-30 would be excellent

    Learjet 45 would ideally be replaced with larger capacity trans-Atlantic capable jet capability (eg a Gulfstream)

    add into the mix a 737QC / C40A
    Last edited by DeV; 25 March 2022, 15:18.

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    • Originally posted by DeV View Post
      Transport C295 would be affordable & offer commonality but ex-RAF C130J-30 would be excellent

      Learjet 45 would ideally be replaced with larger capacity trans-Atlantic capable jet capability (eg a Gulfstream)

      add into the mix a 737QC / C40A
      You'll get another PC12 and you'll like it

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      • Originally posted by Chico View Post

        You'll get another PC12 and you'll like it
        PC12 is currently one of the most popular mid range prop exec jet, and widely used in Air Ambulance roles all over the world. How are Air Corps pilots supposed to get current on the PC12 before retiring if they are given something military with almost no civvy operators like a C130J. Thats no good for the logbook...
        For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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        • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post

          PC12 is currently one of the most popular mid range prop exec jet, and widely used in Air Ambulance roles all over the world. How are Air Corps pilots supposed to get current on the PC12 before retiring if they are given something military with almost no civvy operators like a C130J. Thats no good for the logbook...
          Theres probably too much made out of AC types being beneficial to civilian employment. By in large AC pilots never fly what they've flown in AC service. More important to any pilots development is IFR rating, multi engine rating, command rating and a reasonable foundation amount of flying hours.

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          • Originally posted by Spark23 View Post

            Theres probably too much made out of AC types being beneficial to civilian employment. By in large AC pilots never fly what they've flown in AC service. More important to any pilots development is IFR rating, multi engine rating, command rating and a reasonable foundation amount of flying hours.
            You'd be surprised. Several of the ex-AC pilots are currently flying civvy Agustas, that I know of, personally and anyone who has flown a Casa could change to an ATR in short order. A lot have gone on to B737/A320 without a hitch. It's all about EFIS familiarity and FMC/FMS management and electronic flight planning and AC pilots are getting plenty of that. It really doesn't matter what they flew in the Don. It's a bonus if it's a reasonably similar type but that's not utterly crucial. Skill with the systems is.

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            • The Dutch have gone with the C-390 to replace their old C-130 aircraft, bet they got a good price seeing that the Brazilians have drastically cut their order. Wonder if their would be the chance to tack 2 more onto the order for us??????

              The Netherlands has selected the Embraer C-390 Millennium to replace its ageing fleet of Lockheed Martin C-130 Hercules airlifters.

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              • What are they paying per unit? It would be interesting to see how they compare to the C130J.
                For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
                  What are they paying per unit? It would be interesting to see how they compare to the C130J.
                  In some respects it is hard to do a direct Gross Weapon System cost comparison because with the current production Block 8.1+ Herc's a lot has to do with the costly kit that is getting fitted into them by customer requirements (to do additional roles other than air mobility) that aren't found in the C390 at present and probably a nice potential niche for them that may suit certain countries. LM offered a basic transport version a few years ago with no gold plated avionic extras called the C-130J XL but alas there were no orders.

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                    • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
                      What are they paying per unit? It would be interesting to see how they compare to the C130J.
                      As would the whole life cost

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                      • The European Commission has launched a call for tenders to study the feasibility of “the possible development of a future tactical transport aircraft”. European transport aircraft were recently involved in several critical operations. These included the COVID-19 relief effort and the evacuation out of Afghanistan. “Beyond their pure military role, tactical transport aircraft are also
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                        • Time for Airbus to desigh a twin engine A400M, sharpish.
                          For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                          • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post

                            Time for Airbus to design a twin engine A400M, sharpish.
                            And in the meantime get Leonardo to take a leaf out of Lockheed Martins playbook with the C-130J and stretch the current C-27J Spartan Next Generation fuselage by 5.5 metres and up-powered with PW150's now in production. In other words a Leonardo C-27J-20 Super Spartan. Which would fit nicely in the middle between the A400M Heavy and C-295 Light and take years sooner to do.
                            Last edited by Anzac; 6 July 2022, 04:52.

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                            • Originally posted by Anzac View Post

                              And in the meantime get Leonardo to take a leaf out of Lockheed Martins playbook with the C-130J and stretch the current C-27J Spartan Next Generation fuselage by 5.5 metres and up-powered with PW150's now in production. In other words a Leonardo C-27J-20 Super Spartan. Which would fit nicely in the middle between the A400M Heavy and C-295 Light and take years sooner to do.
                              and call it a Transall...oh, wait ;-)

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                              • The Future Mid-size Tactical Cargo (FMTC) program aims to replace the aging tactical aircraft currently in operation among European air forces, including the C-130 Hercules, the CASA C295

                                So there looking at a design to replace the 295, and ours havent even been delivered yet....
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