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  • DeV
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    Just saying
    https://www.military.ie/en/careers/re-join/

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  • trellheim
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    Why is the SAR contract now a jobs program?
    yes I'm missing what the point is of all this as well

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  • Rocinante
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    Why is the SAR contract now a jobs program?

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  • na grohmiti
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    Air Corps bid for search and rescue services would result in job losses, union warns (irishtimes.com)

    This is going in circles now..

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  • Tempest
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    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/...arns-1.4558591

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  • GoneToTheCanner
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    the Shinners would have a history of disliking Maritime surveillance.

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  • na grohmiti
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    Originally posted by spider View Post

    Or the opportunity to denude the Irish Air Corps of its core military function.
    Same reason they vocally oibject to our involvement with PESCO, and specifically MARSUR.

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  • spider
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    Originally posted by DeV View Post
    Or the opportunity to denude the Irish Air Corps of its core military function.

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  • ancientmariner
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    Originally posted by DeV View Post

    The biggest chore is to get Government and Civil Service to implement recommendations of any report that they have commissioned
    Exactly right! Many years ago I was DCO running the MRCC office when it became necessary to take a passenger off a United States Lines Cargo vessel about 250 miles off the South west Coast of Kerry. The RAF did the job with Helo and Nimrod and landed patient in Cork, transferred to Dublin seriously ill but after time survived to go home. A file appeared to look for payment. It was sent to the US who sent it back with scathing remarks about the duty of nations. Not to be thwarted the department sent the file for my attention looking for payment of some eyewatering amount for the patients care while he was in the country. The up shot was a reduction in flexibility and speed in responding to requests for assistance. The MRCC was handed back to the Department not too long afterwards. I got the job of doing the hand over and this incident was lesson no. 1.

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  • DeV
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    Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post

    The biggest chore is to cover circumstances especially when you must intervene and when you must withdraw. An example would be when a rescue or elements of it are NOT survivable by the rescuers or like in the Mediterranean even when called twice for assistance 130 people were left swimming because of International policy to return to country of origin.
    The biggest chore is to get Government and Civil Service to implement recommendations of any report that they have commissioned

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  • ancientmariner
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    Originally posted by DeV View Post

    Governments are great at commissioning reports
    The biggest chore is to cover circumstances especially when you must intervene and when you must withdraw. An example would be when a rescue or elements of it are NOT survivable by the rescuers or like in the Mediterranean even when called twice for assistance 130 people were left swimming because of International policy to return to country of origin.

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  • DeV
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    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/a...ract-828xdx9fx

    Sinn Fein can smell the votes

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  • DeV
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    Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
    In June 2019 the Department responsible set up an SAR Review to development or strengthen a National SAR Plan (NSP). They consulted widely with Canada, New Zealand, Sweden , Norway etc. and were to come up with a Joint RCC by December 2020. I don't know it's status or additional capabilities or whether it has been added in to International documentation such as ALRS or IAMSAR. SAR is all about assets on call, in the right place at the right time. Overall the paperwork was admired let's hope the implementation and training are equally relevant
    Governments are great at commissioning reports

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  • ancientmariner
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    In June 2019 the Department responsible set up an SAR Review to development or strengthen a National SAR Plan (NSP). They consulted widely with Canada, New Zealand, Sweden , Norway etc. and were to come up with a Joint RCC by December 2020. I don't know it's status or additional capabilities or whether it has been added in to International documentation such as ALRS or IAMSAR. SAR is all about assets on call, in the right place at the right time. Overall the paperwork was admired let's hope the implementation and training are equally relevant

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  • EUFighter
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    Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
    Very few countries are using military assets in an exclusive SAR role. Our neighbours use Bristow on contract and France use their Securite National, covering the global use of helicopters in both countries. We with them are ocean based countries with a duty of care in provision of a responsive SAR system which must include , surveillance, mapping, briefing, management, processing and top cover where needed. You also need surface intervention for major ship casualties such as ETV's
    The vast majority of European countries do not use exclusively private companies to provide SAR. Even Sécurité Civil (Civil Defence) is a government run agency and it only covers inshore rescue, offshore been handled by Marine Nationale. But then Sécurité Civil also is responsible for aerial firefighting and bomb disposal.

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