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  • #91
    Hi Goldie
    Probably a question of capacity.A civvie S61 can hold 26 casualties/survivors, so it's hard to beat.
    regards
    GttC

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    • #92
      The UK MCA are curently changing their fleet of SAR S-61's to 4x S-92's to the north and 3x AW 139's to the south. As Goldie said the UK mil still have to make up their mind on a Sea King eplacement, bit you can expect to see major changes in UK SAR from 2012 with a possible knock on effect here.

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      • #93
        Originally posted by GoneToTheCanner View Post
        Hi all
        The only thing preventing the Air Corps from doing any kind of SAR is itself.The heads destroyed their own SAR by claiming that a labour dispute among the noncommissioned SAR crewmen brought about the end of AC SAR....The Alouette was too small and had only one engine...the Dauphin was better but not big enough and was a huge budget-eater...getting the S61 was simply too late.Official confidence in the Air Corps was lost.End of story.
        regards
        GttC
        I think you are miss-informed on the labour dispute issue, your quite right about the capability of the Alouette and the Dauphin. As for why the AC lost SAR im not going to be dragged into a pissing contest because that is not what this thread is about and I think some people posting have hidden messages they may want to vent. If so i will meet you in the hand ball alley!!!! Joking by the way :-)
        This thread was interesting but I will not be posting until it gets back on to the topic thats "Why we need Helicopters/ Disaster Imminent"
        Slán..
        Although I have walked in the valley of the shadows of death I fear no evil...

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        • #94
          Originally posted by Goldie fish View Post
          The UK is moving slowly away from using the RAF as the Primary SAR asset. While the sight of the yellow Sea King is not gone from the skies, Coast Guard Sea Kings are taking over most of the Coastal work, as the RAF helo commitments become stretched with the new troop transport arrangements for the British Army. The SAR that the RN used to provide With their Distinctive Orange and Grey Sea Kings has diminished greatly in profile. Worth mentioning that there has been no mention of a replacement for the SAR sea kings in the UK, which have been in service since the early 70s.
          CHC are now employing S-92's in the UK and are about to deploy AW139's


          'Search and Rescue
          CHC will deploy the Sikorsky S-92 and the Agusta Bell AB139 in connection with the Maritime and Coastguard Agency (MCA) SAR contract announced December 12, 2005. CHC will operate two S-92s at Stornoway and two S-92s at Sumburgh, plus two AB139s based at Lee-on-Solent and an additional AB139 at Portland.

          The introduction of the S-92 and the AB139 will mean an increase in the Coastguard's operating range and speed, so that the time to arrive ‘on scene’ will be reduced. Combined with an increase in the speed of the winch, the overall result is a reduction in the time taken to get medical aid to those in need. '

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          • #95
            Originally posted by Goldie fish View Post
            The air corps have the option to submit a tender to provide SAR cover in the same way as CHC scotia, or in the Past, Irish Helicopters have. However they have decided not to, and concentrate their meagre resources on military flying for now.
            They could if they had had medium lift / range helicopters. But lets not get back to that one.

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            • #96
              Had we got medium lift helis back then, we could not have afforded alouette and gazelle replacements.
              In hindsight, it was a good decision cancelling that order.


              Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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              • #97
                Uk Cg S-92



                The CHC S-92 operating in the UK now, replacing the S-61's

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                • #98
                  Where is the winch?


                  Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by Goldie fish View Post
                    Where is the winch?
                    On the other side??

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                    • thats no use if someone needs to be winched on

                      the non winch side
                      Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
                      Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
                      The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
                      The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
                      The best lack all conviction, while the worst
                      Are full of passionate intensity.

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                      • Originally posted by hedgehog View Post
                        thats no use if someone needs to be winched on

                        the non winch side

                        You could always ask the driver to move it over a bit....

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                        • There's the winch, on the starboard side so the P1 can see where he's winching to / from.

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                          • Thank You.


                            Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                            • Very Nice, primary hi speed winch and backup both together. FLIR in the right place, mounted up front and more importantly in the centre, not offset, so no restiction in the FLIR's field of view while the heli is in a turn.

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                              • are the pods on either side detachable?....they look it.

                                either way what is in them?
                                An army is power. Its entire purpose is to coerce others. This power can not be used carelessly or recklessly. This power can do great harm. We have seen more suffering than any man should ever see, and if there is going to be an end to it, it must be an end that justifies the cost. Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain

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