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  • #16
    Lets hope the evaluation team brought their Blindfolds and ear muffs so thay can all sing "lalalalala I am not listening" when Eurocopter try to convince them that their civvy bubblecopters are ideal for the job..


    Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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    • #17
      nooo the EC145 is crap
      it so small

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      • #18
        I hope they brought 8 average sized CEFO equipped soldiers with them to show just how useless they are.


        Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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        • #19
          Why would they possibly do that, Goldie? That would require logic.
          "Everyone's for a free Tibet, but no one's for freeing Tibet." -Mark Steyn. What an IMO-centric quote, eh?

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          • #20
            You wouldnt get eight sets of CEMO in that never mind eight blokes in anything more than underwear
            "It is a general popular error to imagine that loudest complainers for the public to be the most anxious for it's welfare" Edmund Burke

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Turkey
              Air Corps people are in Germany at present, looking at the EC-135 and the EC-145.
              I do not know if they will be doing Italy and the USA too, or if that has already been done.

              FAO roger mcgee
              "We will hold out until our last bullet is spent. Could do with some whiskey"
              Radio transmission, siege of Jadotville DR Congo. September 1961.
              Illegitimi non carborundum

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              • #22
                Why deos it require room for a 9man fullt equipped infnatry section?

                It has been stated elsewhere that militarily, ARW CT tranport and insertion are the priority requirments..........
                in this it would appear that the helicopter in question has adequate room for and utility for an assault team, and the potential for 'fastrope' insertion equipment.

                whast wrong wiht it?

                check the usuable cockpit space internal dismensions for the helicopters on offer.
                Just becasue the S70's external dimensions are large does not mean that its internal volumes are the largest on offer, or indeed that this excess is any way more efficent then a smaller, say more manuverable in urban space, helicopter.
                (NB. USSOCOM use of MH- series "Little Birds")

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by SPOOKY
                  Why deos it require room for a 9man fullt equipped infnatry section?
                  The tender says 8 equipped troops. Dont ask why.

                  Originally posted by SPOOKY
                  It has been stated elsewhere that militarily, ARW CT tranport and insertion are the priority requirments..........
                  in this it would appear that the helicopter in question has adequate room for and utility for an assault team, and the potential for 'fastrope' insertion equipment.

                  whast wrong wiht it?
                  Whast indeed ...Have you tried to get into a tight space in a hurry wearing CEFO recently?
                  Originally posted by SPOOKY
                  check the usuable cockpit space internal dismensions for the helicopters on offer.
                  Just becasue the S70's external dimensions are large does not mean that its internal volumes are the largest on offer, or indeed that this excess is any way more efficent then a smaller, say more manuverable in urban space, helicopter.
                  (NB. USSOCOM use of MH- series "Little Birds")
                  Eurocopter EC145 Cabin area 4.72sq m Cabin Volume 6.04cu m
                  Sikorsky S70 Cabin Area 8.18sq m Cabin Volume 11.22cu m
                  Sikorsky S76 Cabin Area 4.18sq m Cabin Volume 5.78cu m
                  (Eurocopter figures include Baggage space)


                  As for little Birds....we(The tender) want twin engine..and its cold outdoors in this country...wouldnt like to try to free my frozen hand from the outside of a heli while on ex in the wicklow mountains this time of year...

                  Thankfully the Penny Pinching DoD already have the tender process near completion before they saw your ideas,and tried to hand us a few R22s as MLH..with external Bench seats.
                  Read the details,they are all over this section.


                  Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Goldie fish
                    The tender says 8 equipped troops. Dont ask why.
                    Someone (here?) mentioned a move to an 8 man squad.
                    Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. Margaret Mead

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by SPOOKY
                      It has been stated elsewhere that militarily, ARW CT tranport and insertion are the priority requirments..........
                      The new utility helis will be used for the training of conventional DF personnel, as the A3's are now.
                      "The dolphins were monkeys that didn't like the land, walked back to the water, went back from the sand."

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                      • #26
                        Yes the infantry section in a pso bn/coy is 8 troops.
                        "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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                        • #27
                          Apparently, all the inspections of the offerd helicopters are now finished, 'should'ent be long now..............
                          "We will hold out until our last bullet is spent. Could do with some whiskey"
                          Radio transmission, siege of Jadotville DR Congo. September 1961.
                          Illegitimi non carborundum

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                          • #28
                            So who are the 5 who got it right with the AB139?


                            Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                            • #29
                              Well now goldie, wouldn't want to brag or anything, but...........

                              NB. Also don't count yer chickens, wait for the legal reactions?

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                              • #30
                                http://www.irishmilitaryonline.com/b...dex.php/t-1397

                                Give that man a crystal ball


                                Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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