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    I recently found this article about the bulgarian air force buying c27j spartans. and I noticed this line, as did future pilot. Can anyone shed any light on this.

    Finmeccania; issued 6th April 2005

    ...The c27j spartan is also under evaluation by Portugal, Australia, Taiwan, Ireland and other countries recently become NATO members...
    Last edited by mugs; 16 April 2005, 17:43.
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  • #2
    This is incorrect as the spartan is actually the upgraded Aeritalia G222 transport aircraft.
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    • #3
      OK then, but the question still stands
      Theirs not to make reply,
      Theirs not to reason why,
      Theirs but to do and die:
      Into the valley of Death
      Rode the six hundred.

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      • #4
        It's visited the Don a couple of times & has been mooted as a possible choice IF the AC got a tactical transport. That's a big if though, there's no official word on it. The article got it wrong.
        "The dolphins were monkeys that didn't like the land, walked back to the water, went back from the sand."

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        • #5
          I think they are getting their facts mixed up.

          Ireland is a member of NATO's 'Partnership for Peace' programme (as are many other neutral countries).
          Perhaps that is what the meant to say !

          Either way, it's high time the Air Corps got a dedicated transport plane........or two !

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          • #6
            I don't think they were suggesting they were a member of NATO

            Either way, it's high time the Air Corps got a dedicated transport plane........or two !
            I agree!!!
            Theirs not to make reply,
            Theirs not to reason why,
            Theirs but to do and die:
            Into the valley of Death
            Rode the six hundred.

            The Charge of the Light Brigade

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            • #7
              This aircraft is only in the same category capablilty wise as the Casa. If we were to purchase something bigger...the only real option is the C130 hercules....and they can be cheap enough
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              • #8
                Originally posted by hptmurphy
                This aircraft is only in the same category capablilty wise as the Casa.
                The C-27J is a much bigger aircraft than the CN-235 we operate (31.8 tonne as opposed to 16.5 tonne). CASA do a stretched version of the 235, the CN-295. This is closer to the C-27J, but is still smaller (23.2 tonne).
                "The dolphins were monkeys that didn't like the land, walked back to the water, went back from the sand."

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                • #9
                  Just thought I'd post this so you know where it came from.

                  http://wwww.finmec.com/press.asp?prid=144
                  Theirs not to make reply,
                  Theirs not to reason why,
                  Theirs but to do and die:
                  Into the valley of Death
                  Rode the six hundred.

                  The Charge of the Light Brigade

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                  • #10
                    the only real option is the C130 hercules

                    On our budget, probably but ...

                    [dream]

                    Theres the A400M ... lets just go straight to the 21st century. Plus a Mowag would fit in one of these. 70 tonne empty, can lift 37 tonnes, or bring 30t to 2600 nm.

                    http://www.airbusmilitary.com

                    The real thing, just not cheap*.



                    [/dream]

                    * As in, its costing the consortium members between 85 and 111 million euro per unit. Export orders would be cheaper, but not by enough to make any difference ...
                    Last edited by Aidan; 17 April 2005, 20:21.

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                    • #11
                      Ireland does require an airlift capability as a component of its commitment to EU and UN military operations overseas. The proper mechanism is to join the nascent European Airlift Group, an operationally standardized pool of airlift platforms operating similarly to the USAF Air Mobility Command in which requirments and taskings are matched to aircraft availability and capability regardless of nationality, with a multi-national support infrasturcture providing things such as a 24/7 Airlift Ops Center, international flight clearances, cargo handling and management, training, simulator access, etc. The A400 and the C-130J will be the core of the EAG, with bigger and smaller at either end, such as C-17 and continued AN-124 charters, C-295 and C-27J.

                      Options for Ireland:

                      1. Order a C-130J-30 nearly identical to the 3 in service +1 on order with the Danish Air Force. From order to delivery is approx two years. Use that period to train up aircrew and techs, including active exchange tours with other J operators. Some EU funding support likely with EAG membership. Advantage - quickest route to effective capability. Excellent, now thoroughly proven aircraft with availbale training opportunities with Italy, RAF, Denmark (though latter has optred out of EU military sturctures).
                      2. Operate an EAG A400 - one owned by the EU but operated by the IAC in Irish markings, or similar to Luxembourg purchased A400 to be operated by Belgium, or - Irish purchased and owned with EU funding support. Unlikely delivery before about 2012. Would necessitate an interim capability, probably a leased or purchased C-295.
                      3. Purchase of one or two C-295 or C-27J. Significantly reduced capabilility in terms of range and payload. Would mean Irish contributon to EAG ops outside of Europe in the intra-theater niche, i.e. supporting a deployed force with deployed aircraft in the operational area, such as the Liberia force with a 295 based in West Africa, with other EAG assets carrying the long haul heavy lift load to/from Europe. Delivery again in about two years from order. Relatively easy transition for IAC and least expensive.

                      Finally, before someone comes back with criticims of the C-130J - a vast improvement over earlier 130 models, well over its teething problems and much loved by Denmark, Italy, the USMC, the RAF and RAAF and yes, the USAF crews who fly it. Much of the latest controversy over USAF J's is due to USAF mismanaging introduction of the aircraft, probably due to parochial concerns or just lack of attention. Fact is it's a great aircraft and would be my choice for the IAC.

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                      • #12
                        A400M is going to be a cool plane but best to leave it for a while let the kinks be worked out tof the system first
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                        • #13
                          It's all acedemic anyway, such a purchase is years away. The next fixed wing purchase is likely to be a Cessna replacement, & that's not happening anytime soon :(
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                          • #14
                            Does a Cessna have any function role or value whatsover in a modern army?
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by JAG
                              Does a Cessna have any function role or value whatsover in a modern army?
                              The question isn't whether or not it's of use to a modern airforce, the question is if it's of use to the AC. The AC uses them for army co-op, parachute training & target towing. They've gotten their money's worth out of them, but could do with something bigger.
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