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  • #31
    Originally posted by Goldie fish View Post
    True. I would prefer to see 25 aircraft of six different types than 42 aircraft of 12 types.

    I still say they should get a few more CN235N type instead of flashy biz jets. I'd be willing to trade the Learjet,King air and the remaining 5 Cessnas for 3 or 4 more Standard CASAs.
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    • #32
      Originally posted by DeV View Post
      - more advanced turbo-prop aircraft
      - bigger cabin
      - modern avonics package
      - able to carry special equipment (eg cameras)
      - simple & cheap to operate
      - STOL capable
      Sounds like a Turbo Porter to me.
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      • #33
        'I cannot disagree with what GTTC says, but, not the IAC RR 172's, any of the Cessana 152's out of Weston would be more then suitable for the job, even if [a] they cost'




        Rheims Rocket ain't no Cessna 152 trainer given it has a 210 hp engine...very unforgiving aircraft.......toatlly different animal to a cessna 152 or even 172....closer to the 210 centurion thaqn anythin else.....tourer more than trainer.
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        • #34
          Originally posted by Tank View Post
          I wish I did....Maybe some of the money could be spent better than it is now.
          Don't get me wrong here. I'd love to spend loads of money on a big military force and let evryone have all the latest gadgets.

          Why? what in the name of heavens would that do? why not address the road issues as already pointed out in a previous thread relating to the transportation of ARW members. transport 21 doesnt really got that far in the scheme of things.

          hospitals, prisons, police, education and on and on and on........
          Last edited by FMolloy; 31 March 2007, 14:08.

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          • #35
            3 Cessna Caravans would do the job perfectly.
            Wouldnt be too expensive id imagine

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            • #36
              Military Version Of Caravan
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              • #37
                One of the major roles of the Cessna (and its replacement) is/will be ATCP (namely cash/prisoner escorts). This requires the ability to over fly urban areas, which according to the Special Study on the AC & NS requires 2 engines.

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                • #38
                  So more Britten Norman Islanders/Defenders on the cards?

                  Cant think of another high winged, twin engined aircraft with the kind of flight characteristics so well suited to observation over built up areas, like its rediculously low stall speed.

                  Although I think I vaguely remember complaints about the aircraft going tech alot in the beginning with the gardai/ac.. probably more to do with the surveillence equipment than anything.

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                  • #39
                    doesn't the caravan have 2 engines, one right behind the other powering a single prop?, they are supposed to have excellent servacibility and PTOW ratio, idiot proof too


                    edit sorry it was the pathfinder 21 derivative I was think about as twin engined
                    Last edited by mutter nutter; 22 December 2006, 19:09.
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                    • #40
                      Cessna replacement?

                      Originally posted by DeV View Post
                      According this months An Cosantoir, the AC would like to start looking for a replacement for the Rheims Rockets (the Cessna FR172).

                      They will require the following:
                      - more advanced turbo-prop aircraft
                      - bigger cabin
                      - modern avonics package
                      - able to carry special equipment (eg cameras)
                      - simple & cheap to operate
                      - STOL capable
                      Did the article explain why aircraft with those features would be required? Is the mission the same - no change over the past 30+ years? Do the Cessnas need to be replaced at all?

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                      • #41
                        Turbo Porter

                        Originally posted by FMolloy View Post
                        Sounds like a Turbo Porter to me.
                        I think you're right... Any idea how much they cost?

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                        • #42
                          I wonder if it would have any parts commonality with the PC-9s?
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                          • #43
                            the same but different...

                            Originally posted by Slacker View Post
                            I wonder if it would have any parts commonality with the PC-9s?
                            Both have PT-6A engines, different versions though...

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Slacker View Post
                              I wonder if it would have any parts commonality with the PC-9s?
                              Besides using the PT-6 engine, there wouldn't be much commonality I imagine. Variants of the PT-6 are already in use with the AW-139 & PC-9 & Casa fleets, as well as the solitary King Air. When the full compliment of AW-139's reach service that's 26 PT-6 engines. Posted a topic about this on irish air pics:

                              http://www.irishairpics.com/cgi-bin/...=ST;f=1;t=1342

                              What aircraft is purchased to replace the Cessna's is going to be an interesting one. BN Defenders could double as multi engine trainers, but the PC-6 is a classic in terms of simplicity and STOL performance. It's still in low rate production. There was a topic about it on the pics site a while back as well..
                              Last edited by pym; 28 March 2007, 23:53.

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                              • #45
                                I believe the PC6 production line is currently closed, but may be reopened for an order of 6 ac or more. The roles partially have changed as far as I can see. Ad hoc landing for resupply missions in support of deployed helis and troops on training, vertical photography, high rate static line para trg, C2I, ISTAR, higher capacity service and maint support, cash escort, drogue towing and AA sim attack, all the national park and wildlife surveys you want, mil VIP transport, limited air ambulance, night low level flying, the PC6 would be a great asset and would give the young uns something to aim for with a real operational bent to gain experience on rapidy, providing a higher grade of pilot for upgrade to heli and PC9 roles. Hell, I wouldn't have minded sticking with a squadron equipped with those if they were used properly and equipped appropriately.

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