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  • #16
    Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post

    That isn't the reality though.
    it is. CoS currently has zero command authority. iRL-SOF is already being used underneath ARW in official mails etc, and yes ,the unit is expanding.The name for Tier 2 is still being worked out.

    "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by apod View Post

      it is. CoS currently has zero command authority. iRL-SOF is already being used underneath ARW in official mails etc, and yes ,the unit is expanding. The name for Tier 2 is still being worked out.
      Is there a hope in certain circles that having a new Tier 2 force may increase the number of those succeeding in selection for Tier 1? Also, would this new SOF establishment see a Brig Gen head it all up perhaps?

      Aer Corps to Air Force and Naval Service to Navy doesn't seem like a huge leap. Considering both have their own uniforms, operate from different bases already, it should not be a massive leap. I reviewed what happens in Finland, each of the armed services is headed up with OF-8 equivalent with the Chief of Defence being a OF-9.

      The mention of a dedicated Cyber Defence Establishment headed up by a General that is separate is also an interesting prospect.
      What are you cackling at, fatty? Too much pie, that's your problem.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by apod View Post

        it is. CoS currently has zero command authority. iRL-SOF is already being used underneath ARW in official mails etc, and yes ,the unit is expanding.The name for Tier 2 is still being worked out.
        You have a sense of optimism a lot of others do not... kinda refreshing.

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        • #19


          Is there a hope in certain circles that having a new Tier 2 force may increase the number of those succeeding in selection for Tier 1? Also, would this new SOF establishment see a Brig Gen head it all up perhaps?
          Maybe. However SOFQ standards will be maintained. No backdoors. And yes the rank of the unit SO is planned to increase from Comdt.(unlikely to be a. 1Star though).
          "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Rocinante View Post
            You have a sense of optimism a lot of others do not... kinda refreshing.
            No. Just stating facts. Thanks though????
            "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by apod View Post
              Maybe. However SOFQ standards will be maintained. No backdoors. And yes the rank of the unit SO is planned to increase from Comdt.(unlikely to be a. 1Star though).
              To clarify, I was not suggesting a dilution of SOFQ standards. What I meant was that those going to the hypothetical Tier 2 unit would have a different qualification course (perhaps similar to the US Army Ranger Regiment for example), they'd serve a period in the Tier 2 unit, then attempt SOFQ for Tier 1. The experience of the Tier 2 course and unit might better prepare for Tier 1 qualification.

              I'm also assuming that introduction of a Tier 2 unit will target at least a doubling or tripling of SOF operators, surely a Col would be needed for such an establishment and specialisation. Now, back to my armchair!
              What are you cackling at, fatty? Too much pie, that's your problem.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by ODIN View Post

                To clarify, I was not suggesting a dilution of SOFQ standards. What I meant was that those going to the hypothetical Tier 2 unit would have a different qualification course (perhaps similar to the US Army Ranger Regiment for example), they'd serve a period in the Tier 2 unit, then attempt SOFQ for Tier 1. The experience of the Tier 2 course and unit might better prepare for Tier 1 qualification.

                I'm also assuming that introduction of a Tier 2 unit will target at least a doubling or tripling of SOF operators, surely a Col would be needed for such an establishment and specialisation. Now, back to my armchair!
                Just as a point of discussion the NZSAS has a "commando" unit inside the unit made up of guys who pass a shorter selection course and then serve a 3 year tour, if they want to stay they must complete the full SAS selection and be badged... the system works pretty well apparently..

                Plus quite a few countries allow direct entry for civilians to attempt selection.. the Dutch KCT for example...
                Last edited by Rocinante; 3 February 2022, 16:08.

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                • #23
                  Yes that is D Squadron and there is also E Squadron which are EOD/CBRE focused which are sand beret but have a different belt compared to the Sabre Squadrons.

                  1 NZSAS Regiment also has an attached Troop sized Female Engagement Team who also have a tailored selection and continuance course, which I have been told is pretty brutal.

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                  • #24
                    Thing is if the ARW is under utilised and under subscribed….

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by DeV View Post
                      Thing is if the ARW is under utilised and under subscribed….
                      It has never been under utilised. They just rarely make the headlines.
                      For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post

                        It has never been under utilised. They just rarely make the headlines.
                        In the past but some ex members have very publicly said otherwise

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