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  • In light of the commission report, what exactly does the Air Corp

    Helicopters, What type, How many and where to be based
    Additional MPA, what additional tasks required
    Additional / New Updated Training Aircraft
    Interceptor aircraft
    Transport Aircraft
    Radar
    Air Policing Missiles
    "Why am I using a new putter? Because the last one didn't float too well." -Craig Stadler

  • #2
    Originally posted by gaff85 View Post
    Helicopters, What type, How many and where to be based
    Additional MPA, what additional tasks required
    Additional / New Updated Training Aircraft
    Interceptor aircraft
    Transport Aircraft
    Radar
    Air Policing Missiles
    Has already been discussed in other threads.

    Originally posted by Rhodes View Post
    The EC135 and AW139 helicopters are due to be replaced before 2030.
    Primary radar for the Air Corps should be procured immediately and is a top priority.
    A successor long-range aircraft for the Gulfstream IV is needed.
    Join the Strategic Airlift Capability programme.
    Two additional AW139 helicopters should be procured.
    Replace AW139's with eight super‐medium helicopters.
    C‐UAS system for the Air Corps.

    Under LOA3

    The Air Corps to get a squadron of jet combat aircraft.
    Two or three troop carrier type aircraft.
    Tactical troop transport helicopters for overseas, enough to move a platoon and for CSAR.
    Dedicated combat helicopters to support the ARW.

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    • #3
      “The ultimate replacement of the existing medium lift helicopter fleet with a fleet of eight super‐ medium helicopters”

      whatever “super-medium lift” means?

      i assume actual medium lift

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      • #4
        Originally posted by DeV View Post
        “The ultimate replacement of the existing medium lift helicopter fleet with a fleet of eight super‐ medium helicopters”

        whatever “super-medium lift” means?

        i assume actual medium lift
        https://verticalmag.com/news/super-m...e-lessor-says/

        Helicopter manufacturers created the super medium category to bridge a perceived gap, in a booming offshore oil-and-gas market, between 12-seaters and heavy helicopters seating up to 19 on long distances.

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        • #5
          We got medium heli, they ended up smaller than we expected. We looked for Medium Lift, and almost got S92/Super Puma/EHI01.
          I guess the NH90 is a super medium... or perhaps the Leonardo AW149
          Or maybe even an S70. (Say it quietly).
          For now, everything hangs on the CoDF report, which is published, but after discussion with parties in government will probably commence being implemented in May or June.

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          • #6
            The State already operates the S-92, by default, so either get more of them for Army lift or buy the rest of the S-70 for Army and AC lift. The top third of an S-92 is an S-70 anyway.

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            • #7
              Civilian not military

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              • #8
                Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
                We got medium heli, they ended up smaller than we expected. We looked for Medium Lift, and almost got S92/Super Puma/EHI01.
                I guess the NH90 is a super medium... or perhaps the Leonardo AW149
                Or maybe even an S70. (Say it quietly).
                A medium lift heli lifts 15-30 troops

                a heavy is Chinook

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
                  We got medium heli, they ended up smaller than we expected. We looked for Medium Lift, and almost got S92/Super Puma/EHI01.
                  I guess the NH90 is a super medium... or perhaps the Leonardo AW149
                  Or maybe even an S70. (Say it quietly).
                  We looked for medium initally, which in line with the PWC report would have left us with a large fleet of small light heli (prob would have been useful for ATCP/Air Ambo, Domestic Counter terrorism support/recce at home and overseas etc)and a smaller fleet of medium, which probably would have suited us.

                  We ended up with a tiny fleet of light heli (two which was never going to be enough for anything bar training) and a utility helicopter that was sold as alot of things even medium but was actually what industry called "super medium"? but in reality is probably a light heli, again not in enough numbers to cover all roles.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by DeV View Post
                    Civilian not military
                    If you actually do know the difference between medium and super-medium why would you ask the question?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Jaque'ammer View Post

                      If you actually do know the difference between medium and super-medium why would you ask the question?
                      In military terms (the CODF report being about the DF), there is no such term

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Jaque'ammer View Post

                        If you actually do know the difference between medium and super-medium why would you ask the question?
                        "Super-medium" is whatever the manufacturers want it to mean, to justify calling an AW 139 a military helicopter. It's the physical capacity inside the hull that matters.

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                        • #13
                          Sweden just purchased 4 c130J from Italy, missed out there, so for Cargo lift we will have to look harder to find frames on the second hand market
                          Sweden buys Super Hercules from Italy (scramble.nl)
                          "Why am I using a new putter? Because the last one didn't float too well." -Craig Stadler

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                          • #14
                            RAF Hercs still look like they are waiting for a new paint job...

                            For now, everything hangs on the CoDF report, which is published, but after discussion with parties in government will probably commence being implemented in May or June.

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                            • #15
                              Journal has an article up claiming Government documents suggest talks have been underway about 2 second hand CASA 295s for Troop Transport and 2 new 139s?
                              https://www.thejournal.ie/department...85791-Jun2022/

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