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  • #31
    Originally posted by GoneToTheCanner View Post
    You see, we Irish instinctively recognise it (Swiss behaviour) as devious ducking and diving, just like the average Irish politician when asked a straight question about a Defence issue. It's like an episode of Yes, Minister, played for real. Except it's about weapons, national defence, end use and all that fun stuff.
    In other words an episode of "Yes, Prime Minister" then.....
    It was the year of fire...the year of destruction...the year we took back what was ours.
    It was the year of rebirth...the year of great sadness...the year of pain...and the year of joy.
    It was a new age...It was the end of history.
    It was the year everything changed.

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    • #32
      I think at the moment the best replacement for PC-9Ms is more PC-9Ms, with possible retention/refurbishment of some or all of the present fleet, if more than the current establishment is seen to be needed, after all one of the current fleet is almost new.
      Incidentally, as far as I recall when the Warriors were obtained, the Hunting Provosts were removed from service but the Chipmunks remained in service for some years afterwards, althoughh they may have been used for training Aer Lingus people for a time.
      "We will hold out until our last bullet is spent. Could do with some whiskey"
      Radio transmission, siege of Jadotville DR Congo. September 1961.
      Illegitimi non carborundum

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Turkey View Post
        I think at the moment the best replacement for PC-9Ms is more PC-9Ms, with possible retention/refurbishment of some or all of the present fleet, if more than the current establishment is seen to be needed, after all one of the current fleet is almost new.
        Incidentally, as far as I recall when the Warriors were obtained, the Hunting Provosts were removed from service but the Chipmunks remained in service for some years afterwards, althoughh they may have been used for training Aer Lingus people for a time.
        Pilatus no longer offers the PC-9M. They push either the PC-21 or the PC-7 MkX. The latter aircraft is very close to the PC-9M even if it carries an older designation. The biggest drawback of new machines from Pilatus is their lack of armament.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by EUFighter View Post

          Pilatus no longer offers the PC-9M. They push either the PC-21 or the PC-7 MkX. The latter aircraft is very close to the PC-9M even if it carries an older designation. The biggest drawback of new machines from Pilatus is their lack of armament.
          The PC21 is essentially the flying embodiment of a flight simulator. You can't, don't or won't fire any weapon from it for real and they will not sell you warry stuff to do that. You do all your shooting in the actual sim or via the simulation built into the aircraft, such as pretending to fire missiles. It's as near to flying a jet-only lead in fighter trainer, like a Hawk T2, except for the propellor in front and is entirely geared to putting the cadet or qualified pilot into a fast jet with as little diversion for mere things like live gunnery sorties to worry about. You don't need live ranges or transit times to ranges and all "firing" can be conducted indoors or even over your home base, as a simulated range can be set up anywhere. The entire training package is designed to be seamless, from ab-initio on a PC-9 or similar thru LIFT through to the actual fighter and more or less devoid of risk. It actually has more akin to a commercial jet transition than a combat aircraft transition, as it is heavily focused on system management.

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