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    Date: 03/10/2005
    AgustaWestland And L-3 Join Forces On Army LUH – Team US139

    AgustaWestland, Inc. (AWI), headquartered in Reston, Virginia and L-3 Communications Integrated Systems (L-3/IS) of Waco, Texas, have announced their partnership and product entry in the Light Utility Helicopter (LUH) competition at the Association of the U.S. Army (AUSA) Annual meeting in Washington D.C. Prime contractor AWI and principal partner L-3/IS will offer the US139 to the Army for LUH. The US139 is a customized, non-developmental variant of the modern, FAA certified, AB139 twin-engine helicopter now in service worldwide. It has the most spacious, functional and flexible cabin in its class, capable of carrying 15 passengers or 4 stretchers with 6 passengers. The US139 is capable of cruising in excess of 165 knots with a useful load of more than 6,000 lbs – designed from its inception as the replacement to the UH-1 “Huey.”




    L-3/IS will perform final assembly and customization of Government specific avionics for the US139 helicopter at their Waco, Texas location utilizing Lean Manufacturing/Six Sigma facilities designed and laid out for this effort. In addition, L-3/IS will provide Contractor Logistic Support for the US139 LUH fleet. L-3/IS has modified more than 15,000 aircraft of more than 125 types. It provides contractor logistics support for approximately 40 percent of the U.S. Army aviation fleet as well as a majority of the rotary-wing training platforms used across the U.S. Navy, Marine Corps and Coast Guard. L-3 Integrated Systems also provides depot – and intermediate-level maintenance for Army National Guard and Department of Homeland Security Customs & Border Protection rotary-wing helicopters.

    AgustaWestland has assembled a world-class industrial team to produce, deliver and support the US139. Supporting AWI and L-3/IS in this program are two of the industries finest major systems suppliers: Pratt &Whitney Canada (P&WC) and Honeywell. P&WC will supply the US139 with its powerful, reliable PT6C-67C turboshaft engines equipped with a Digital Engine Electronic Control. Honeywell will provide the Primus Epic integrated avionics system for the US139. In addition to its outstanding performance, capability and size, the US139 is compliant to the new demanding FAR/JAR 29 standards. It also offers true Category A Performance certification, meaning that it’s capable of flying away at max gross weight on only one engine. The US139 has tremendous growth potential – able to exceed today’s requirements with the flexibility to meet the demands of the future. Together this US139 team offers the most capable, responsive, survivable, reliable and supportable LUH helicopter to the US Army.

    Interesting though how they consider it an LUH, while here its a UH.


    Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

  • #2
    Hmm....

    Considering that the contract for the replacement for Marine 1 (US-101) went "abroad" I think this mightn't.

    Interesting to see how the lobbying chips will fall.

    http://www.teamus101.com/index.cfm
    Meh.

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    • #3
      Question guys have they started flying these yet?
      Also have they painted them in I.A.C livery or are they still in the O.G drab.
      Lifes a bitch, so be her pimp!

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      • #4
        I've heard the 139 called the replacment for the heuy. And bosco they haven't entered service yet
        Theirs not to make reply,
        Theirs not to reason why,
        Theirs but to do and die:
        Into the valley of Death
        Rode the six hundred.

        The Charge of the Light Brigade

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        • #5
          The LUH competition is specifically looking for commercial off-the-shelf helicopters, to replace National Guard Hueys in less frontline roles than the Blackhawk is used for.

          Another contender for this is the new Bell 210, a Huey rebuild. http://www.bellhelicopter.textron.co...al/bell210.cfm
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          With 50,000 men getting killed a week, who's going to miss a pigeon?

          Guns don't kill people, bullets kill people.

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          • #6
            LUH contenders now are:

            *Agusta + L3: US-139 as described above.
            *Eurocopter USA + Sikorsky: UH-145, a militarized version of the EC-145 to be built in the states. Sikorsky will provide after-sale logistics support and are really only there for the lobbying support they bring, and to ignite guilt over their loss of revenue from Comanche cancellation. The 145 could win, but it would be a surprise. Could be an EADS win in light of the fact that the C-295/CN-235 will likely lose to the C-27J in the imminent decision on the US Army's transport competition.
            *MD Helicopters: MD-900 Exlporer
            *Bell: 412EP, having dropped the 210 so as to be competetive - bell is hedging bets, since it wins with the US-139 too - it will be built in Bell's Texas plant.

            The dark horse is the Explorer. MDH pretty much needs this contract to survive. The 139 has a very good chance of winning - certainly the most qualified and capable of the contenders at a reasonable price.

            Ultimate LUH contract will be for 300+ machines at about $US1.5 Billion.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by mugs
              I've heard the 139 called the replacment for the heuy. And bosco they haven't entered service yet
              Nice one cheers man!
              Any idea when they will enter service 05/06?
              Lifes a bitch, so be her pimp!

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              • #8
                The first AB-139's for the IAC are building now in Italy and due to enter service early in 2006. The main issue with them remains numbers. Eight is the minimum required to satisfy taskings within Ireland and provide a 3-5 ship deployable package for international operations. Right now 4 are on order with an open option for 2 more.

                Hopefully the ministry will take up the option ASAP and place an immediate option or order for two more.

                As for the US Army LUH program, the desire is to get them operational ASAP, meaning probably in about two years from contract. In addition to the Army LUH program, the US Air Force has a requirement for at least 150 utilility helicopters that is very similar to LUH. They will replace UH-1N's in the ICBM silo security & support role, provide local SAR at domestic airbases and VIP/utility support in the Washington area. In the current climate, it's a safe bet to guess that the winner will be the same as LUH, with an after-sales logistics support provision = civilian maintenance.

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                • #9
                  PS. The US Air Force prefers the US-139 for their requirements.

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                  • #10
                    Don't forget boys and girls, that if the US has this airframe it will create upgrade and longevity packages. This means we'll be able to take advantage of these without having to pony up for the cost of development.
                    Meh.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Old Redeye
                      LUH contenders now are:

                      *Agusta + L3: US-139 as described above.
                      *Eurocopter USA + Sikorsky: UH-145, a militarized version of the EC-145 to be built in the states. Sikorsky will provide after-sale logistics support and are really only there for the lobbying support they bring, and to ignite guilt over their loss of revenue from Comanche cancellation. The 145 could win, but it would be a surprise. Could be an EADS win in light of the fact that the C-295/CN-235 will likely lose to the C-27J in the imminent decision on the US Army's transport competition.
                      *MD Helicopters: MD-900 Exlporer
                      *Bell: 412EP, having dropped the 210 so as to be competetive - bell is hedging bets, since it wins with the US-139 too - it will be built in Bell's Texas plant.

                      The dark horse is the Explorer. MDH pretty much needs this contract to survive. The 139 has a very good chance of winning - certainly the most qualified and capable of the contenders at a reasonable price.

                      Ultimate LUH contract will be for 300+ machines at about $US1.5 Billion.
                      I think the 139 and 412EP are the front runners, they offer a better configuartion for a troop and cargo carrying helicopter than the UH-145 and MD900. The 412EP offers the benift of familiairty and being a US design. The 139 has been chosen for US military use already though with the USCG which may be something for it.
                      Si vis pacem para bellum

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                      • #12
                        The 139 has since been "de-selected" by the USCG, such a polite term, as a money saving measure. Instead of new 139's they will upgrade their fleet of aging Jayhawks, the CG version of early SH-60 Seahawks.

                        I agree the 412 looks good on paper, but a problem is that the 412 line is in Mirabel, Canada. I don't think the 412 is a serious effort by Bell. Also, they just won the big ARH competition with the 407.

                        I'll go out on a limb and say the 139 will win the Army LUH and USAF utility competitions. Call my bookmaker!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Old Redeye
                          The 139 has since been "de-selected" by the USCG, such a polite term, as a money saving measure. Instead of new 139's they will upgrade their fleet of aging Jayhawks, the CG version of early SH-60 Seahawks.

                          I agree the 412 looks good on paper, but a problem is that the 412 line is in Mirabel, Canada. I don't think the 412 is a serious effort by Bell. Also, they just won the big ARH competition with the 407.

                          I'll go out on a limb and say the 139 will win the Army LUH and USAF utility competitions. Call my bookmaker!
                          Ouch on the CG 139. I was reading a site on the Deepwater Program last week and it never mentioned it. I can think of at least one Jayhawk crash recently, in Alsaka. I don't like the idea of my rescue chopper falling out of the sky. Well 139 it is then!
                          Si vis pacem para bellum

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                          • #14
                            The two AB-139's operated by the Aga Khan charity were shown on BBC the other day transporting British experts in Pakistan earthquake response. Superb! The main cabin is luxuriously large compared to the UH-1H's and Bell 412's I am accustomed to, and they are quite quick.
                            Last edited by FMolloy; 18 October 2005, 23:37.

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