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  • #16
    What about parts commonality with the A109?
    "It is a general popular error to imagine that loudest complainers for the public to be the most anxious for it's welfare" Edmund Burke

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    • #17
      According to the newspapers, the DoD went for the cheapest option, the AB-139 and EC135. Skiorsky arent too impressed that they didnt go for the BEST heli. It's clearly a political decision rather than a military one. The EC-135 will be pretty handy and I have no complaints there but the EC135 looks a civvie/VIP heli if I ever seen one. Same old stinking government.

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      • #18
        Technical Specs Brochure of EC135
        http://www.eurocopter.com/site/doc_wsw/TD_EC135.pdf

        Brochure for AB139
        http://www.bellagusta.com/html/aeroN...9_brochure.pdf

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        • #19
          Is it not also quite stupid that as they are going to sell all of the old choppers we are essentially relacing our aged fleet of 13 helicopters with 6, in effect halving our already tiny fleet? Is there any talk about more options or what?
          "Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied."

          Otto Von Bismark

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          • #20
            The claim is that increased servicibiltiy will mean more flying hours on fewer airframes, which in the best case scenario means we're treading water.
            "It is a general popular error to imagine that loudest complainers for the public to be the most anxious for it's welfare" Edmund Burke

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            • #21
              Now that the dust is settling on this, it seems to be a very good idea.
              While the Blackhawks appear to be the best helicopter out there, the people in BAl' have to consider that, all going well, that these airframes are going to be around for at least 30 years. Being able to source parts, and possable upgrades which are not subject to currancy shifts may well prove to be a godsend.
              Also because the initial purchase price is lower, it will hopfully help lead to the purchase of a resonable sized fleet.
              "We will hold out until our last bullet is spent. Could do with some whiskey"
              Radio transmission, siege of Jadotville DR Congo. September 1961.
              Illegitimi non carborundum

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              • #22
                Is there any other army (not even western) in the world that uses this heli for special forces ? Seems like very few armies use this but its really popular in the civivie world. Perfect for MATS. There is no inclusion for extra heli's at a later date so i dont expect more than 4 flying in the coming years.

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                • #23
                  Im just going to bite my tongue and hope for the best RE: future purchases.
                  "It is a general popular error to imagine that loudest complainers for the public to be the most anxious for it's welfare" Edmund Burke

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Goldie fish
                    It(the EC135)is ideal for the job its intended to do,namely
                    a.Initial Pilot training
                    b.Instructor training
                    c.Instrument Flight training
                    d.Pilot NVG qualification and development training
                    e.Helicopter aircrew continuity training
                    f.Winching and inland SAR training.
                    Ah ok. So the AC will be going back to the SAR role?
                    "Everyone's for a free Tibet, but no one's for freeing Tibet." -Mark Steyn. What an IMO-centric quote, eh?

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                    • #25
                      http://www.bellagusta.com/html/theAi...Water_1320.jpg
                      http://www.bellagusta.com/html/theAi...rVilla_953.jpg
                      http://www.bellagusta.com/html/theAi...nFlight400.jpg
                      http://www.agustawestland.com/produc...?id_product=15

                      and with any luck with the heavy chopper program is back on track.........
                      http://www.agustawestland.com/commun...p?id_product=5
                      which would give the AC commonality with the Nordic Helicopter Program and possibly be of benefit to an EUBG training?
                      Last edited by SPOOKY; 28 November 2004, 01:33.

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                      • #26
                        was there not an option of 2 more utilitie heli's in the contract
                        What are you cackling at, fatty? Too much pie, that's your problem.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by andy
                          Is there any other army (not even western) in the world that uses this heli for special forces ? Seems like very few armies use this but its really popular in the civivie world. Perfect for MATS. There is no inclusion for extra heli's at a later date so i dont expect more than 4 flying in the coming years.
                          Just checked it out. The AB139 is fresh off the line. Looks like the IAC are the guinea pigs.
                          "Everyone's for a free Tibet, but no one's for freeing Tibet." -Mark Steyn. What an IMO-centric quote, eh?

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                          • #28
                            Again......

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by andy
                              Is there any other army (not even western) in the world that uses this heli for special forces ? Seems like very few armies use this but its really popular in the civivie world. Perfect for MATS. There is no inclusion for extra heli's at a later date so i dont expect more than 4 flying in the coming years.

                              The Col Moschin use them
                              Dr. Venture: Why is it every time I need to get somewhere, we get waylaid by jackassery?

                              Dr. Venture: Dean, you smell like a whore

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                              • #30
                                Well yes and no....we are the First customers for the military variant,but it is similar to that due to be delivered to the USCG,though not the same.

                                When we are all getting depressed about the choice,remember one thing....It could have been the EC145. The tender clearly stated what the selection would be based on,and value for money over the aircrafts lifespan is the main one,as well as suitability for their role. The Blackhawk is admittedly the best Military heli in the group,but how useful would is be at its secondary(primary) task of transporting fatass politicians around the country?
                                Even reading Mike Durant's book recently he spoke of how difficult the Blackhawk cockpit is to get in and out of.
                                Combine with that the fact the crusties and morons in certain sectors of the media,would Immediately associate them with the US military,referring to them as helicopter gunships etc...all good reasons not to choose the best Military heli in the world.


                                Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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