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    I recovered this from google If the owner of the posts would please repost them it would be great.
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    10th April 2006, 13:53
    Turkey
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    Rumour has it that 2 of the Air Corps pilots have been sent to the UK to learn all about helicopter low flying, I am serious, by the way.
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    10th April 2006, 13:57
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    10th April 2006, 14:48
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    10th April 2006, 14:57
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    Originally Posted by Vmax
    Two been sent to do a tactical low level flying course with the RAF,six month duration i been told. Rear crew to follow on a gunners course.


    Are you pulling our collective legs regarding a gunners course or serious?

    Stupid question time...what aircraft would the AC be gunning up for rear crew?
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    10th April 2006, 15:11
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    10th April 2006, 15:16
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    Originally Posted by stameen soldier
    Are you pulling our collective legs regarding a gunners course or serious?

    Stupid question time...what aircraft would the AC be gunning up for rear crew?


    The AB 139 will have provision for two door gunners.
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    10th April 2006, 15:31
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    its a follow on from a course that was run last week in the Don

    it involves carrying loads slung underneath the helicopter

    any crewmen will be acting as load masters
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    10th April 2006, 15:49
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    Originally Posted by Turkey
    Rumour has it that 2 of the Air Corps pilots have been sent to the UK to learn all about helicopter low flying, I am serious, by the way.


    Are you talking proper nap of the earth flying or just we wont go any lower just in case?
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    10th April 2006, 15:56
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    10th April 2006, 16:53
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    Originally Posted by stameen soldier
    Are you pulling our collective legs regarding a gunners course or serious?



    Serious.



    10th April 2006, 17:53
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    Posts: 841 I heard about the gunners course as well, which includes an instructors course for one officer and 2 NCO's. The low flying course is with the RAF, costs a lot, and is for a long duration......don't have exact details.......Do you ever notice that rumours rarely have exact details?
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    10th April 2006, 21:50
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    Posts: 63 Just to confirm what Turkey said, I too heard Air Corps pilots were due to go on a tactical flying course with the RAF or British Army, looks like they have already started.


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    10th April 2006, 22:16
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    11th April 2006, 08:54
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    Posts: 82 Any more details on the course in the UK? What type helicopter will they be training on? How long is the course? If it is in fact as long as six months, must be the Defence Helicopter Flying School (DHFS) at Shawbury on Bell 412's. I'm guessing these are two experienced IAC pilots getting Battlefield Support Helicopter training. If so, very worthwhile and a wise move in prep for the A-139/149. There is a huge gap in experience and outlook from flying AIII's in Ireland to contemporary battlefield support helicopter ops as practiced by the UK, NL, US, etc.


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    how much approx for these training courses, is there somewhere i could find this info either? how often do the ac collaborate with the RAF in such training apart from the safety course for ditching from heli's etc.? what would the two pilots be learning specifically? like are we talking terrain radars etc?????
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    The Gunner's course will consist of watching every Vietnam movie ever made and then shouting "get some! get some!" while thundering away with the GPMG, with obligatory bean-can feed mod, while trying not to shoot off bits of the airframe or friendly forces. The Gunner's written exam will consist of the following questions: Is a water buffalo considered a moving target? If a civilian runs, what kinda gook is he? If he stands still, what kinda gook is he? Is the phrase "mother****er!" applicable to civilians? Are you allowed to shoot any grunt who clings onto the helicopter?
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    Its a fact! I had my cadet interview wednesday, and i mentioned to try sound up to date. Commdt said no he hadn't heard that at all, i thought crash and burn, then the officer beside him says im right. I also asked another officer and he said its all true. So the facts: 2 pilots sent for low level flying, 2gunners and possibly officer sent for the door gunner's course. Lucky boy's :redface:

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    • #3
      Ah now, careful with the terminology there. The artillery crowd will be getting excited. I assume you mean aircrew are being sent for training as door gunners....


      Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by geo
        2gunners and possibly officer
        *grinds teeth*

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        • #5
          And yet another rumour:
          The first pair of AB-139's is to arrive on November 2nd, all conditions permitting I expect.
          Apparently one of them will have around 300 hours on it by the time it arrives.
          Also, one of the EC-135's was observed flying around in the Bal' area with an A111 cargo net below it.
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          Radio transmission, siege of Jadotville DR Congo. September 1961.
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          • #6
            Why will it have so many hours clocked before delivery??Might it be used as a trainer for Irish pilots??
            What are you cackling at, fatty? Too much pie, that's your problem.

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            • #7
              I expect that is the reason Odin.
              "We will hold out until our last bullet is spent. Could do with some whiskey"
              Radio transmission, siege of Jadotville DR Congo. September 1961.
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              • #8
                Hi all
                I understand from some of the defence publications that there are simulators for door-gunners now. Armies can buy these devices, alongside the normal flight simulators, to include potential gunners in the training schedule. To economise, the Air Corps will be issuing PlayStations, wired to plasma screens, with Call of Duty2 and similar games pre-loaded, to gunner candidates....
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                • #9
                  It will be battlefield 2, with everything cut ou except for the piloting of the blackhawk and the door gunner parts...
                  What are you cackling at, fatty? Too much pie, that's your problem.

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                  • #10
                    one officer and one other already returned from engerland. apparently quite a physically intense course. a bit of running around lugging the venerable gpmg.

                    fresh rumour:- there was a little bit of interest during the past week in buying the gazelle!!
                    the closing date for tenders for it is soon if it hasn't already passed..apparently one interested party would be taking it south of tropic of capricorn
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                      • #12
                        hope they're enjoying it considering the rumoured cost
                        It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you have.

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                          Yes, thankyou, we are
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                            we have nothing to fear but fear itself
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                            • #15
                              Hi all
                              Brave words, Scorpy. Given the proliferation of masts and cables in Ireland, virtually no experience of NVG in-flight use in the Air Corps, no approved/sanitised Low-Flying Areas in Ireland and the high loss rate of American/UK/NATO helicopters and aircraft under NVG/Low-level/low-light conditions, I'd save my faux-righteous indignation until you've had more experience. The experience of the people who teach NVG flight is based on a body count, so reel yer neck in....I assure you, the ground hits real hard from 50 feet.
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