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  • #16
    If Lavery's got it right & they're replacing the Squirrel it's probably for the sake of standardisation.
    "The dolphins were monkeys that didn't like the land, walked back to the water, went back from the sand."

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    • #17
      I have heard that it is because of standardisation, the squirrel is far from worn out.
      Slightly off topic, but the pilots and instructors for the IAC EC-135's have already been picked.



      edited for negative spelling ability
      Last edited by Turkey; 26 April 2005, 08:56.
      "We will hold out until our last bullet is spent. Could do with some whiskey"
      Radio transmission, siege of Jadotville DR Congo. September 1961.
      Illegitimi non carborundum

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      • #18
        So, sell off or trade in the Squirrel to off-set some of the new heli's costs?
        "The dolphins were monkeys that didn't like the land, walked back to the water, went back from the sand."

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        • #19
          Why not keep the squirrel and have a chopper stationed almost permanently around Dublin, Cork and Limerick?
          "Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied."

          Otto Von Bismark

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          • #20
            Standardisation, it doesn't make sense to have such variety in a small fleet.
            "The dolphins were monkeys that didn't like the land, walked back to the water, went back from the sand."

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            • #21
              Originally posted by FMolloy
              Standardisation, it doesn't make sense to have such variety in a small fleet.
              Eddie, check out our discussions on this issue here:

              http://www.irishmilitaryonline.com/b...ead.php?t=6031

              This says they are doing something right (finally).

              -Y
              Meh.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by FMolloy
                Standardisation, it doesn't make sense to have such variety in a small fleet.
                You are still Looking at 4 otherwise identical aircraft with 2 different engine types. Garda Types using the Turbomeca,while the new Air Corps types will use P&W


                Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                • #23
                  It's still standardised with the other copper chopper. And considering the GS want to get civvies to do all the work....
                  "The dolphins were monkeys that didn't like the land, walked back to the water, went back from the sand."

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                  • #24
                    Civvies? If they had their way they would have garda pilots(some observers are actually qualified pilots)


                    Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                    • #25
                      I dont see a problem with serving members of the Gardai actually operating there own Aircraft. There would be no need for new legislation as they are still members of the security forces.
                      "Why am I using a new putter? Because the last one didn't float too well." -Craig Stadler

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                      • #26
                        I don't either but I think it's much better to have AC pilots doing the flying. After all, the pilots are there, the facilities etc are in place and there doesn't seem to be any problems so why change it? It's not as if the AC has a surplus of aircraft and not enough pilots
                        "Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied."

                        Otto Von Bismark

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                        • #27
                          They should have contracted civilian pilots fly these aircraft. While it would be nice for some Gardai who have chopper tickets to be the force's "top guns", it would be an admin nightmare. The number of qualified garda pilots is low, certainly not enough to cover all shifts, sick time, leave, etc. And will they be happy receiving Garda pay for this position? Will they want a huge "Pilot Allowance?" Other members will be campaigning to receive flight training on the taxpayers dime. The Garda brass won't have the balls to tell them to get F*cked, because some Asst Commissioner's son may want the job in a few years...(it actually hapened!! They gave him a command position in the ERU instead !!!!).

                          By letting the operation of the aircraft be the responsibility of a civilian contractor the force can wash its hands of all the nonsense admin and HR issues. They can demand a pilot for whenever they need, and not have to worry about coverage, shifts, sick time, leave, etc. It's all up to the contractor.

                          From what I've heard, perhaps someone can confirm or deny, it isn't too hard to obtain an observers slot on the Air Support Unit. It's not that popular with the membership and has quite a high turnover. Surprises me, but then again, it wasn't a GASU member who told me, so I never attached much credence to it.


                          Later.
                          No-one, I think, is in my tree...

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                          • #28
                            Knowing one GASU member,and one Former member,it is very difficult to get into the unit,whose selection process is similar to ERU training. It is tougher to remain though,as fitness must be maintained(helis have a max take off weight) and you have no "return of work".

                            Draw your own conclusions. The unit expanded greatly in recent years,however intakes are small,while applications are high. The selection process has a high dropout rate. Most young gardai Joined to arrest criminals,not watch them from the sky.


                            Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                            • #29
                              http://www.etenders.gov.ie/search/se...x?ID=JUN039268

                              Title: Supply,Delivery of a new Eurocopter EC135 T2 Helicopter with McAlpine(MHL) Police Role Equipment Fit
                              Awarding Authority: Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform
                              Publication date: 14-Jun-2005
                              Application Deadline:
                              Tender Deadline Date: 09-Aug-2005
                              Tender Deadline Time: 15:00
                              Notice Type: Tenders
                              Has Documents: Yes
                              Abstract: The Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform, on behalf of An Garda Síochána, invites tenders for the supply and delivery of a new Eurocopter EC 135 T2 Single Pilot IFR light helicopter, with full manufacturers warranty and McAlpine (MHL) Police Role Equipment Fit, to the stated specification, and delivery to Casement Aerodrome, Baldonnel, Co. Dublin, Ireland. The McAlpine Police Role Equipment Fit is the bathtub shaped pod fitted to the underbelly of the aircraft to house part of the role equipment etc. and to allow for a clutter free cabin.

                              The primary mission will be to provide patrol and response capability in the assistance of operational ground units of An Garda Síochána, the Irish National Police Force. The aircraft will be required to operate by day and by night (subject to visual weather minima), with the broad objective being to seek out and identify the target, establish and maintain visual contract with the target while directing ground units to the scene or to intercept. The expected utilisation of the aircraft will be approx. 800 hours per annum.

                              The aircraft will operate on the State (Military) Register.








                              Additional Documents




                              Description Name Size
                              RFT for the supply and delivery of a new Eurocopter EC 135 T2 Helicopter to An Garda Síochána RFT for the supply and delivery of a new Eurocopter EC 135 T2 Helicopter to An Garda Síochána.doc 739840
                              Revised RFT for the supply and delivery of a new Eurocopter EC 135 T2 Helicopter to An Garda Síochán Revised RFT for the supply and delivery of a new Eurocopter EC 135 T2 Helicopter to An Garda Síochána.doc 739840







                              ( Express an interest in this notice to obtain these documents)
                              Contact Information




                              Main Contact: gardaprocurement@justice.ie
                              Admin Contact: tendergs@iol.ie
                              Technical Contact: N/a
                              Other Contact: tendergs@iol.ie







                              Full Notice Text


                              I.2) Address from which further information can be obtained
                              As in I.1 If different, see Annex A
                              I.3) Address from which documentation may be obtained
                              As in I.1 If different, see Annex A
                              I.4) Address to which Tenders/Requests to participate must be sent
                              As in I.1 If different, see Annex A
                              I.5) Type of contracting Authority
                              Central Level EU Institution Other
                              Regional/local Level Body governed by public law

                              Section II: Object of the Contract
                              II.1) Description
                              II.1.1) Type of works contract
                              II.1.2) Type of supplies contract
                              Purchase Rent Lease
                              Hire-purchase Combination of these

                              II.1.3) Type of service contract
                              II.1.4) Is it a framework agreement
                              No
                              II.1.5) Title attributed to the contract by the contracting authority
                              Supply,Delivery of a new Eurocopter EC135 T2 Helicopter with McAlpine(MHL) Police Role Equipment Fit
                              II.1.6) Description/object of the contract
                              The Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform, on behalf of An Garda Síochána, invites tenders for the supply and delivery of a new Eurocopter EC 135 T2 Single Pilot IFR light helicopter, with full manufacturers warranty and McAlpine (MHL) Police Role Equipment Fit, to the stated specification, and delivery to Casement Aerodrome, Baldonnel, Co. Dublin, Ireland. The McAlpine Police Role Equipment Fit is the bathtub shaped pod fitted to the underbelly of the aircraft to house part of the role equipment etc. and to allow for a clutter free cabin.


                              The primary mission will be to provide patrol and response capability in the assistance of operational ground units of An Garda Síochána, the Irish National Police Force. The aircraft will be required to operate by day and by night (subject to visual weather minima), with the broad objective being to seek out and identify the target, establish and maintain visual contract with the target while directing ground units to the scene or to intercept. The expected utilisation of the aircraft will be approx. 800 hours per annum.


                              The aircraft will operate on the State (Military) Register.



                              NOTE: Further information relating to this notice is available on the eTenders Web Site at http://www.etenders.gov.ie/Search/Se....aspx?ID=12588.

                              II.1.7) Site or location of works, place of delivery or performance
                              Casement Aerodrome, Baldonnel, Co. Dublin, Ireland.

                              NUTS Code IE021
                              II.1.8) Nomenclature
                              II.1.8.1) Common Procurement Vocabulary (CPV)
                              Main vocabulary Supplementary vocabulary (when applicable)
                              Main object 35312000
                              Additional objects
                              32323000
                              32522000
                              29812300
                              32333000
                              35351000

                              II.1.8.2) Other relevant nomenclature (CPA/CPC)
                              II.1.9) Division into lots
                              No
                              II.1.10) Will variants be accepted
                              No
                              II.2) Quantity or Scope of the Contract
                              II.2.1) Total quantity or scope

                              II.2.2) Options. Description and time when they may be exercised

                              II.3) Duration of the contract or limit for completion
                              Section III: Legal, Economic, Financial and Technical Information
                              III.1) Conditions Relating to the Contract
                              III.1.1) Deposits and guarantees required

                              III.1.2) Main Terms of financing and payment and/or reference to the relevant provisions
                              Payment for the supply and delivery of the aircraft, covered by this invitation to tender will be in accordance with the Prompt Payment of Accounts Act, 1997. All invoices must be submitted in Euro (€) and accompanied by a signed and stamped verification docket. Invoicing arrangements will be agreed with the successful supplier following the award of contract. The successful tenderer will be obliged to pay sub-contractors in accordance with the Prompt Payment of Accounts Act, 1997.

                              III.1.3) Legal form to be taken by the grouping of suppliers, contractors or service providers to who legal contract is awarded

                              III.2) Conditions for Participation
                              III.2.1) General Conditions
                              Please see RFT

                              III.2.1.1) Legal Position - means of proof required
                              III.2.1.2) Economic and Financial Capacity- means of proof required
                              III.2.1.3) Technical Capacity- means of proof required
                              Section IV: Procedure
                              IV.1) Type of Procedure

                              Open Accelerated Restricted
                              Restricted Accelerated Negotiated
                              Negotiated

                              IV.1.1) Have candidates already been selected?
                              No
                              IV.1.2) Justification for the choice of accelerated procedure
                              IV.1.3) Previous publication concerning the same contract
                              IV.1.3.1) Prior information notice concerning the same contract
                              Notice Number 2005/S 79-076400 of 22-04-2005
                              IV.1.3.2) Other previous publications
                              IV.1.4) Envisaged number of suppliers which will be invited to tender
                              IV.2) Award Criteria
                              A) Lowest Price No

                              B) The most economically advantageous tender in terms of:

                              B1) Criteria as stated below Yes
                              1 - Technical & Operational Specification and Merit
                              2 - Cost
                              3 - Role Equipment Technical & Operational Specification and Merit
                              4 - Product and Technical Support
                              5 - Warranties

                              In descending order of priority: Yes

                              B2) Criteria as stated in contract documents: No

                              IV.3 Administrative Information
                              IV.3.1) Reference number attributed to the notice by the contracting authority
                              T.184/2005
                              IV.3.2) Conditions for obtaining contract document and additional documents
                              Obtainable until

                              Price (where applicable) Currency

                              Terms and method of payment

                              IV.3.3) Time-limit for receipt of tenders or requests to participate
                              19-07-2005 Time (when applicable) 15:00
                              IV.3.4) Dispatch of invitations to tender to selected candidates
                              Estimated date

                              IV.3.5) Language or languages in which tenders or requests to participate can be drawn up
                              EN

                              IV.3.6) Minimum time frame during which the tenderer must maintain its tender
                              Until 16-11-2005
                              IV.3.7) Conditions for opening tenders
                              IV.3.7.1) Persons authorised to be present at the opening of tenders (where applicable)

                              Tenders will be opened in the presence of at least three people. Persons authorised to be present at the opening of tenders will be determined by the contracting authority.
                              IV.3.7.2) Date, time and place

                              Date Time
                              Place

                              Section VI: Other Information
                              VI.1) Is this notice a Non Mandatory one?
                              No
                              VI.2) Indicate Whether this Procurement is a Recurrent one and the Estimated Timing for Further Notices to be Published

                              VI.3) Does the contract relate to a Project/Programme financed by EU Funds?
                              No

                              If yes, indicate the project/programme and any useful reference


                              VI.4) Additional Information

                              (ET Ref:12588)

                              VI.5) Dispatch date of this Notice
                              14-06-2005


                              Further Information
                              Information added to the notice since publication.





                              14-Jun-2005 RFT for the supply and delivery of a new Eurocopter EC 135 T2 Helicopter to An Garda Síochána
                              Request for Tender for the supply and delivery of a new Eurocopter EC 135 T2 Helicopter to An Garda Síochána.

                              14-Jun Submission Deadline/Application Deadline Date(s) Changed
                              The Deadline date was changed from 19-Jul-2005 to 9-August-2005.
                              In correct date on Tender document

                              15-Jun-2005 RFT for the supply and delivery of a new Eurocopter EC 135 T2 Helicopter to An Garda Síochána
                              Revised RFT for the supply and delivery of a new Eurocopter EC 135 T2 Helicopter to An Garda Síochána. Change of final date for receipt of queries to 26th July, 2005. Change of final date for receipt of tender proposals to 9th August, 2005.


                              Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                              • #30
                                They still have not decided whether the new machine wil replace the squirrell or whether it will operate alongside it.


                                Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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