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  • Goldie fish
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    The GASU machines should never have been the responsibility of the Air Corps. I don't think it makes any difference if they have different engines, because ultimately the Garda Siochana should have them operated independantly of the Air Corps, with their own Pilots.
    The only advantage is the aircraft can operate from a secure base, though with the increased airside security found in the larger airports in Ireland, I don't think this advantage is unique to the don any more.

    Remember the Gardai and the Air Corps have completely different requirements for their aircraft, and their usage. A "Jack of all trades" wouldnt work, in the same way as Giving the Gardai Eithne to use as the Garda boat would be less than successful.

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  • easyrider
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    So even though the Garda helicopters are flown by Air Corps pilots, someone in the Gardai knows more about which helicopter engine is best than the Air Corps? And do Air Corps pilots have to train separately for the GASU EC135s, seeing as there are different engine controls? Sounds like someone should have banged some heads together long ago and saved a lot of time and money.

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  • pym
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    are the garda helicopters still serviced by a different (privately contracted) tech crew?

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  • Tadpole
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    Also differences in how the aircraft are operated by the pilot due to sutble but important differences in the FADEC systems.
    The Air Corps assessed the PW to be better and the Garda assessed the TM to be better and never the twain shall meet.

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  • easyrider
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    Wouldn't you think if there's only going to be four of them altogether operated out of Baldonnell it would make more sense to have the four the same, even if there is some little plus one way or another for the different engines?

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  • GoneToTheCanner
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    Well then, as per, I stand corrected.begs the question, which engine is better? Was the old P and W not up to snuff for heavy lifting?
    regards
    GttC

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  • Goldie fish
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    Thing is GTTC, Air Corps EC135s are powered by P&W engines, while GASU models are Turbomeca.

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  • GoneToTheCanner
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    Hi there
    I doubt if the Garda Commissioner actually gives a flying .... what's under the bonnet as long as it stays running, responds to the push of a button and is available...in a lot of cases, engine sub-models differ only by the accessories, ie, genes, pumps and so on, attached to them.the basic core of the engine is probably the same so there would be a high degree of commonality.The gardai are more concerned about their dedicated equipment on board than anything else.It could be in a Transit van for all they really care, as long as it flies on demand.
    regards
    GttC

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  • Tony Kearns
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    [QUOTE=Goldie fish;190437]The Gardai Bought their second EC135 long before the Army decided to buy their P2 models(2005).
    Thought that it was the Air Corps who operated them.

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  • golden rivet
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    Originally posted by FMolloy View Post
    The GASU aircraft are available 24 hours a day, how they roster the staff is operational info & won't be discussed here.
    funny you say that the programme on rte gave more info did you see it???

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  • FMolloy
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    The GASU aircraft are available 24 hours a day, how they roster the staff is operational info & won't be discussed here.

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  • Goldie fish
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    Careful GR... pedants are about.
    The aircraft are flown by Air Corps Pilot with a garda crew of 2 observers.
    Last edited by FMolloy; 31 December 2007, 16:27.

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  • golden rivet
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    do aer corp pilots fly them. and how does this work out.. ie.. aid to civil power.. week on week off etc..

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  • pmtts
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    Originally posted by flyinginireland View Post
    She is currently registered G-CECT and due to become ‘272’ in Air corps service.
    Still registered to EUROCOPTER UK LTD according to the CAA.

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  • Goldie fish
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    The first EC135 used by the GASU had a T1 engine, it was later upgraded to T2. The Gardai Bought their second EC135 long before the Army decided to buy their P2 models(2005). They stuck with the T2 for parts commonality between the Garda Fleet.

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