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Good work. Have any ground troops been exercised with them yet??
"Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.
Its sorry to say but the single alouette 196 in your photo is looking very sad in comparision to the new Helo's.
Ach not a bit of shame on the old girl. She done her dooty.
If you have to do it, you always have to do it right. Either it makes a difference, or it’s good practice so that when it does make a difference, it gets done right.
Okay quick question,and if this has allready been answered i apologise in advance but i dont have the time today to trawl thru all previous posts.Are the 139,s operational yet?
Reason i ask is that i was on an exercise during the week which invoved helis.was looking forward to training with the new ones and what did we get.Yes,allouettes!
Bit disappointed i can tell you .As were the rest of my gang.
Whats the story?Also are the allouettes only gonna be retired once all 6 AW-139,s are up and running?:confused:
"Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.
Reason i ask is that i was on an exercise during the week which invoved helis.was looking forward to training with the new ones and what did we get.Yes,allouettes!
I guess that's kinda like being told you'll get issued raingear for an exercise, and getting the old OG crap, eh?
You don't just jump off with new kit and expect to be effecient or effective in its use until pilots have some time under their belt and SOPs and techniques have been developed to deal with all the operational requirements. These are more complex aircraft and have to be introduced with a sane head. Troops may be champing at the bit to get their hands on them and the pilots are just as eager, but the training required to complete demanding tasks still has to be done. The differences in trooping drills are significant and will require a much greater input from NCOs in the section.
Rest assured, once complete, the sections will have an effective aircraft to get them to the field, but it is a case of crawl, walk, run.
I guess that's kinda like being told you'll get issued raingear for an exercise, and getting the old OG crap, eh?
Yeah
"Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.
You don't just jump off with new kit and expect to be effecient or effective in its use until pilots have some time under their belt and SOPs and techniques have been developed to deal with all the operational requirements. These are more complex aircraft and have to be introduced with a sane head. Troops may be champing at the bit to get their hands on them and the pilots are just as eager, but the training required to complete demanding tasks still has to be done. The differences in trooping drills are significant and will require a much greater input from NCOs in the section.
Rest assured, once complete, the sections will have an effective aircraft to get them to the field, but it is a case of crawl, walk, run.
Point taken.Doesnt answer my second question though.
"Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.
Is this your personl opinion or is it official policy
to actually be allowed fly the aircraft the pilots must have qualified ono helliis and then did
a conversion course on the newe ones
The differences in trooping drills are significant and will require a much greater input from NCOs in the section.
This reflects the dilema
how can be train properly without the actual helicopter
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
Hi there
All of the current pilots are experienced heli drivers with one or more types under their belts.Many are ex-dauphin pilots so they are well aware of the need to learn from the mistakes of the old heli and relearn the pure military aspect of the new ones.To the poster who was disappointed that he only had an Al.III to play with, well, pity about you.It's not that long ago that the only vehicle you would have jumped out of was a Bedford. Be thankful for small mercies.
regards
GttC
That would not be a bad idea, at least for the present, but the latest word I have is that the A111's will be gone sometime this year.
"We will hold out until our last bullet is spent. Could do with some whiskey"
Radio transmission, siege of Jadotville DR Congo. September 1961.
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Have any ground troops been exercised with them yet??
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