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  • #16
    I almost fell asleep while reading that.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by willie the rat
      The Reserve Defence Force (RDF) is a voluntary organization and members are not dependant on it for their livelihood..
      Surely if we were voluntary we would be unpaid?
      Perhaps it should be emphasised to the DoD and the soon to be former minister, that the RDF is in fact in the Part Time employ of the Department, and deserves the same rights as all other part time workers?


      Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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      • #18
        By voluntary, I think he means that you volunteered, which means that the PDF is voluntary too, er...

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        • #19
          Originally posted by cooley View Post
          I almost fell asleep while reading that.
          to summarise
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          You're even dumber than I tell people

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          • #20
            If only we had somebody who would represent us and put these points to the minister, and the department......

            A sort of Reserve defence forces representative something or other...


            Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Big Al View Post
              to summarise
              You've got too much time on your hands....
              "Well, stone me! We've had cocaine, bribery and Arsenal scoring two goals at home. But just when you thought there were truly no surprises left in football, Vinnie Jones turns out to be an international player!" (Jimmy Greaves)!"

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              • #22
                im sorry to be posting a naval matter in the Army section but it is relevent.

                I am on a NS seagoing unit and in the short time between patrols atttempt to get kit from the stores. Each time im told (a) we dont have anything here (b) we r closed

                Yet on many an occasion i see reservists walking around the base and on ships during the summer in the newest of gear, they seem to have no problem getting it.

                Now i have no problem with them personally, they do a great job with reliefs for seamen when normally the leave would be refused to them but they do not need new kit every year when PDF members are in need of it moreso.

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                • #23
                  1. Where are NSR units dressed ? [ Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it the home station ? -> therefore they may be dressed for example from CB barracks, and not from the the base. ]

                  2. "we r closed" is something I refer you to your PDF administrative and stores wallahs and their well known long opening hours and willingness to assist all and sundry.

                  Point. 2 is slightly sarcastic.
                  Last edited by trellheim; 13 February 2007, 10:35.
                  "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

                  "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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                  • #24
                    I think you may be looking at different reservists due to the high turnover in reserve units and thats why it always appears to be new, plus its worn far less than your own gear so it "weathers" better?
                    "He is an enemy officer taken in battle and entitled to fair treatment."
                    "No, sir. He's a sergeant, and they don't deserve no respect at all, sir. I should know. They're cunning and artful, if they're any good. I wouldn't mind if he was an officer, sir. But sergeants are clever."

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                    • #25
                      AFAIK the more specialised kit is issued out of Haulbowline (could be wrong though). However, you are demonstrating a point. We in the RDF moan (and rightly so) about the unavailability of kit, poor opening hours of clothing stores etc. and we seem to assume that it only affects the RDF. Yet, having spoken to a number of PDF personnel and they have the same experiences. Yes there will always be those who manage to get everything they are entitled to (and more), those people exist in both the RDF and PDF.

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                      • #26
                        All NS kit is drawn from the Naval Base stores by NSR units as required. Why they need much of the gear to wear 4 or 5 times a year ill never know.

                        Fair enough drawing dress uniforms thats no problem but drawing fatigues that are worn very rarely by the NSR and every day by seagoing personnel is the thing that annoys me.

                        Only last patrol there i was wearing my falling apart shirt and worn out trousers and an NSR L/S came out for a week in his nice brand new set of fatigues. Thats the point im trying to make. Ships should come first before NSR and base personel.

                        As i said they provide a lot of reliefs for people and we would be stuck without them but the situation is ridiculous when you are denied bsic kit.

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                        • #27
                          I agree that the priority should be the ships and in an ideal world there would be no kit shortage for either NS or NSR.

                          But I would just like to say that NSR wear their working rig on parade nights (once a week) and weekends. So it is not fair to say ' 4 or 5 times a year'.

                          Also, as the NSR is unpaid for the vast majority of the year, getting kit is one of the few pay offs. A lot of recruits will wait months for a working rig shirt and trousers and a good few will just get fed up waiting and stop attending.

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                          • #28
                            Sure they lost a full uniiforn for someone in my unit. They told him it was in, and then had to explain that they lost it to the CO.
                            Sir I cant find my peltors........Private they are on your face

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                            • #29
                              Lol, I had to wait 9 months for my first issue and then another 8 months to get my second issue so kevin, don't hold your breath!
                              Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
                              Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
                              Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
                              Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

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                              • #30
                                "Also, as the NSR is unpaid for the vast majority of the year, getting kit is one of the few pay offs."

                                Enlighten us how the issue of NS working Dress can be a pay off?

                                In answer to A/Tels statement..ships are individual units and draw kit as required for the full time posted crew as opposed to attachments whose Admin issues are dealt with bt their parent unit,

                                So an NSR guy going to sea is attached to a ships company and not posted and as such...the ship has not kit obligations to him..he draws from his shore establishment. This is also true of NS personal..the drw from central clothing stores or their division..not as hip if they are on attachment.

                                The other side of the coin is it is a very poor consideration of an NSR unit to sent guys to sea without enough of the appropriate clothing..the other side of that coin..having too much kit on a ship is a pain in the arse..and they do have laundrys..so once you have the basics you should be ok.
                                Last edited by hptmurphy; 20 February 2007, 10:10.
                                Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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