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  • trellheim
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    In addition they are all PDF documents so you can use the Adobe reader -
    for example
    http://debates.oireachtas.ie/Xml/29/DAL20070307.PDF

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  • Kieran Marum
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    Originally posted by Saracen View Post
    Kieran, can you give a link to that page? Trying to find it but navigating the site is a bit tricky!
    If memory seves me right it is on
    http://debates.oirachtas.ie/DDebates....XML&Node=2371

    It was question 132

    is on the Government web site

    choose Parliamnet, then dail debates 2004-2007, then select 07 March in 2005
    (A)click on questions, then defence, then look for Defence Forces Personnel
    or (B) Select the right hand PDF symbol at top of page and scrole down to question 132
    Last edited by Kieran Marum; 16 March 2007, 14:09.

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  • Saracen
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    Originally posted by Kieran Marum View Post
    Is the Army getting Younger

    Further to my entry above the Dail answer gave some interesting data on the average age of the PDF - Comparing average age 321/12/2001 against 31/12/2006

    Officers
    BG 58.20,57.25 = [0.95]; Col 55.82,56.49 =0.67; Lt Col 51.78, 53.22 = 1.44;
    Cmdt 45.19, 45.99 = 0.80; Capt 33.32, 32.40 = [0.92]; Lt 24.85, 24.68 = [0.17]
    When the number of officers at each rank are taken we moved from 1258 to 1388
    resulting in an increase in age from 37.351 years to 38.26 years

    Other Ranks
    SM 52.30, 52.53 =0.23; BQMS 52.18, 53.10 = 0.92; CS 46.70, 48.00 = 1.30
    CQMS 48.09, 49.17 = 1.08; Sgt 42.44, 42.99 = 0.55; Clp 32.22, 36.58 = 4.36
    Pvt 31.04, 31.98 = 0.94 whilst Cadets 19.82 to 21.20 =1.38
    When the number of officers at each rank are taken we moved from 9414 to 9035
    resulting in an increase in age from 46.365 years to 35.721 years

    Overall the PDF moved from 10672 to 10423 strong
    and average age 45.41 [2001] to 35.938 [2006]

    Is this the picture you see every day



    To complete the calculations I took data in other Dail answers which gave a breakdown of the PDF by rank, number and genda at the two dates.
    Kieran, can you give a link to that page? Trying to find it but navigating the site is a bit tricky!

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  • Komsomol
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    they are rated against people with an inferiority complex of course

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  • Guest's Avatar
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    how are they rated exactly and against who etc???

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  • mutter nutter
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    Originally posted by Darksaga View Post
    I think the standard is getting better, many of the new recruits i met during the enlistment are huge and super fit. some of them even came from collage ( i never asked why they didn't do cadets) but they are not idiots and all have a good head on them.

    Plus id like to think of myself as an above average recruit! LOL

    But yet again I seem to be one of the youngest in the Pltn. everyone i spoke to is over 20, i think there was one 18 y/o.
    something to do with the "life less ordinary", probably people with collage or who've worked for a few years and want to do something different.....good thing I think, experience and maturity, the DF can only benifit

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  • ELVIS
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    ya. Alot of people assume that everybody wants to be an officer. Many people just want to soldier for awhile and not get laid down with contract committments and what not. That, and maybe they didn't get cadets..

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  • ZULU
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    Not everyone wants to become an officer

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  • Darksaga
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    I think the standard is getting better, many of the new recruits i met during the enlistment are huge and super fit. some of them even came from collage ( i never asked why they didn't do cadets) but they are not idiots and all have a good head on them.

    Plus id like to think of myself as an above average recruit! LOL

    But yet again I seem to be one of the youngest in the Pltn. everyone i spoke to is over 20, i think there was one 18 y/o.
    Last edited by Darksaga; 15 March 2007, 16:41.

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  • Kieran Marum
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    Is the Army getting Younger

    Further to my entry above the Dail answer gave some interesting data on the average age of the PDF - Comparing average age 321/12/2001 against 31/12/2006

    Officers
    BG 58.20,57.25 = [0.95]; Col 55.82,56.49 =0.67; Lt Col 51.78, 53.22 = 1.44;
    Cmdt 45.19, 45.99 = 0.80; Capt 33.32, 32.40 = [0.92]; Lt 24.85, 24.68 = [0.17]
    When the number of officers at each rank are taken we moved from 1258 to 1357
    resulting in a decrease in age from 38.26 years to 37.631 years

    Other Ranks
    SM 52.30, 52.53 =0.23; BQMS 52.18, 53.10 = 0.92; CS 46.70, 48.00 = 1.30
    CQMS 48.09, 49.17 = 1.08; Sgt 42.44, 42.99 = 0.55; Clp 32.22, 36.58 = 4.36
    Pvt 31.04, 31.98 = 0.94 whilst Cadets 19.82 to 21.20 =1.38
    When the number of officers at each rank are taken we moved from 9414 to 9119
    resulting in a decrease in age from 45.742 years to 35.645 years

    Overall the PDF moved from 10672 to 10476 strong
    and average age 44.86 [2001] to 35.903 [2006]

    Is this the picture you see every day



    To complete the calculations I took data in other Dail answers which gave a breakdown of the PDF by rank, number and genda at the two dates.
    Last edited by Kieran Marum; 16 March 2007, 14:06. Reason: got the figures wrong way round - sorry

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  • Barry
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    Originally posted by Kieran Marum View Post
    Is it an error or plans for the future?
    Plan to do more with less by making Battalions into Brigades!

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  • silverside
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    someone just made a typo, its obviously meant to be BQ (battalion QMS)

    but maybe you knew that and were just trying to be funny.
    Last edited by silverside; 15 March 2007, 14:09. Reason: clarification

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  • Kieran Marum
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    Originally posted by Groundhog View Post
    Yes they always do, mostly because it's true. Recruits are now wrapped in cotton wool and overprotected by officers who dread the mention of A7.
    All the extra work seems to have created a new rank in the Army
    namely that of BRIGADE QUARTERMASTER SERGEANT

    In the Dail on March 7th in reply to a question from Mr Andrews [question 132] Entitled Defence Forces Personnel - they have the following ranks
    Sergeant Major,
    Brigade Quartermaster Sergeant,
    Company Sergeant,
    Company Quartermaster Sergeant,
    Sergeant,
    Corporal,
    Private and
    Cadet

    Is it an error or plans for the future?

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  • The Thing
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    5) long recruit trainign period / quality of instructors
    Histoically Ireland recruit training has been one of the longest internationally. i think its been made shorter now.

    However don't forget, that when an Irish soldier finnishes training he doesn't train to that level again unless he/she goes for promotion or joins the ranks of special forces. In other armies this is not the case, soldiers train on a regular basis.
    There should be constant training when allowed ie: not engaged in aid to the civil power. I mean it wouldn't take much for a section sized unit to be training on a constant basis within a company. I am not talking about going to the ranges day in day out, but rather field craft skills, FIBUA tactics, patrolling, and physical training/sports training.
    As a solider it makes me angry that we aren't training more. The army can get very boring sometimes.
    However I agree we are up to international standards, education and good pay has alot to do with making the job an attractive option for potential recruits as does the prospect of regular overseas deployment with modern equipment.

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  • Groundhog
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    Originally posted by Steamy Window View Post
    Don't soldiers always complain that the latest batch isn't as good/are softies/training was harder in their day?
    Yes they always do, mostly because it's true. Recruits are now wrapped in cotton wool and overprotected by officers who dread the mention of A7.

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