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  • #16
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    Just wondering how the TES system works? I've seen several differernt versons and was wonder how the Irish stuff works?
    Last edited by mugs; 23 October 2005, 19:09.
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    Theirs not to reason why,
    Theirs but to do and die:
    Into the valley of Death
    Rode the six hundred.

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    • #17
      Presume you mean TESS (think it means Tactical Engagement Simulation System)?

      In a nutshell, works as follows:
      The rifle is fitted with a microphone and laser combination. The soldier wears a vest and headgear on the helmet with sensors fitted. When a blank round is fired, the sound of the shot is picked up by the microphone, which in turn activates the laser on the unit. If the laser is picked up by one of the sensors on the soldier's vest or head units, this activates an audible sound on the vest unit. This indicates a "hit"

      The soldier deactivates the alarm by lying on his back, which disengages the alarm. An umpire has a different unit, which can collate various info (no of shots, hits, etc.) An Cosantoir did a feature of the TESS kit in use with the Irish DF a couple of years back, can't remember when, but I know I have it at home somewhere.
      FMolloy
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      Last edited by FMolloy; 24 October 2005, 01:44.
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      • #18
        Its one of the best pieces of equipment the defence forces has got, sure there is better ones out there and its awkard to aling the weapons onto the tess units

        But it sure shows a person how low you have to crawl etc

        Sgt Tess is one of the best instructors in the Defence Forces
        Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
        Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
        The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
        The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
        The best lack all conviction, while the worst
        Are full of passionate intensity.

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        • #19
          you have to take a proper aim or your shot wount count there is a sencer in the helmet and one on the rifle witch have to line up or else your shot wount count
          Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.

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          • #20
            as Hedgehog said, one of the best bits of kit the DF have!

            the good thing about it is that everybody has to step up a gear from just using blanks! Nobody wants to be the first hit and spend half an attack lying on their back.

            it shows how hard doing section, platoon attacks would be for real. the whole tempo slows considerably because you have to pay so much attention to your individual fieldcraft, fire and movement and you also have to actually have to make all your shots effective.

            the days of 10 - 20 min section attacks are long gone with TESS when you have to crawl for practically the entire attack!

            it also shows who's switched on enough to take over NCO and officer appointments if they are hit during attacks. Anybody can end up being Section commander, Pln sgt, etc.

            Still, its a pity there are problems with units getting qualified pers for operating the equipment. Using it definetely improves individual soldiering skills and makes people think about what they're supposed to be doing.
            Fate whispers to the warrior, "There is a storm coming"

            And the warrior whispers back "I am the storm".

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Truck Driver
              Presume you mean TESS (think it means Tactical Engagement Simulation System)?

              In a nutshell, works as follows:
              The rifle is fitted with a microphone and laser combination. The soldier wears a vest and headgear on the helmet with sensors fitted. When a blank round is fired, the sound of the shot is picked up by the microphone, which in turn activates the laser on the unit.
              I dont think it is on the sound that it works. For instance when you are out of ammo and you let the action fly forward "a shot" is fired, as far as i remember.
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              • #22
                Originally posted by Itchy
                I dont think it is on the sound that it works. For instance when you are out of ammo and you let the action fly forward "a shot" is fired, as far as i remember.
                It can be calibrated for dry firing (cock and pull the trigger no ammo) or for firing with blanks. I thought it was some sort of schock sensor but could just as easily be a mic.

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                • #23
                  I only asked because i saw on ''top gear'' and recently on ''The queens cavalry'' on bbc 1 the british system and it was hi tech. It worked much the same as the Irish but later they were able to view where rounds had past them and how close from a 3D model. Just wondered if the Irish system was as hi tech.
                  Theirs not to make reply,
                  Theirs not to reason why,
                  Theirs but to do and die:
                  Into the valley of Death
                  Rode the six hundred.

                  The Charge of the Light Brigade

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by mugs
                    I only asked because i saw on ''top gear'' and recently on ''The queens cavalry'' on bbc 1 the british system and it was hi tech. It worked much the same as the Irish but later they were able to view where rounds had past them and how close from a 3D model. Just wondered if the Irish system was as hi tech.
                    Is that the episode where the Irish Guards Reg. i think it was shot at Clarkson while he was driving around in a Porsche then a Merc?

                    With all this talk of the TESS i presume it has been used by RDF personnel a good few times, personnally i've never even heard of the possibility that we might get to use it, down here that it, this is the type of stuff that i hope the re-org will change, i presume its a lot better than just firing off blanks and presuming you hit him.
                    What is you major malfunction numbnuts!
                    Didn't mommy and daddy show you enough attention when you were a child?!

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                    • #25
                      mugs, much better than just firing off a few rounds and presuming you've hit somebody.

                      with TESS there is no "you're dead, i shot you" rubbish. when somebody shoots at you and you're hit the unit sounds a noise that can't be stopped except for lying on your back. if you get up again before the DS deactives it, it just keeps going off again. so if you get hit you have to lie down and "play dead". if you're doing a section in attack you might end up with only three or four people left "alive" at the re-org!

                      also, if somebody is firing close to you, within a couple of feet ( can't remember exactly how much ) there's a different noise that goes off until you get into proper cover from fire or get dead! when you hear this you really start to concentrate hard on low crawling and choosing good cover!

                      the TESS units can give all the information to each soldier at the end of an exercise such as how many rounds they fired, how many rounds were on target, how many enemy killed, how often they were killed, etc.

                      thats a paper print out, nothing as fancy as the British army you saw on Top Gear with 3D graphics.
                      X-RayOne
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                      Last edited by X-RayOne; 24 October 2005, 20:09.
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                      And the warrior whispers back "I am the storm".

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by X-RayOne
                        also, if somebody is firing close to you, within a couple of feet ( can't remember exactly how much ) there's a different noise that goes off until you get into proper cover from fire or get dead! when you hear this you really start to concentrate hard on low crawling and choosing good cover!
                        It beeps twice for a near miss and a constant tone when your dead.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by X-RayOne
                          with TESS there is no "you're dead, i shot you" rubbish. when somebody shoots at you and you're hit the unit sounds a noise that can't be stopped except for lying on your back. if you get up again before the DS deactives it, it just keeps going off again. so if you get hit you have to lie down and "play dead". if you're doing a section in attack you might end up with only three or four people left "alive" at the re-org!
                          Exactly. I think it should be used on every tactics, although granted there is a lot of manpower needed when the system is in operation.

                          Used it once before...not with the infantry though( )...feicing engineers get everything
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by X-RayOne
                            mugs, much better than just firing off a few rounds and presuming you've hit somebody.
                            I was just wondering how the Irish system worked.
                            Theirs not to make reply,
                            Theirs not to reason why,
                            Theirs but to do and die:
                            Into the valley of Death
                            Rode the six hundred.

                            The Charge of the Light Brigade

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                            • #29
                              I wish i just got a chance to use it, the whole beeping twice if a shot was close sounds great, then you know if your in good cover or not, i bet you learn pretty quickly how to stay on the right side of the ditch!

                              Its the proper way to train, you can't perfect your training using blanks, you could have been shot 5 or 6 times before you even find good cover!
                              What is you major malfunction numbnuts!
                              Didn't mommy and daddy show you enough attention when you were a child?!

                              The last words of Sgt. Hartman

                              Full Metal Jacket

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