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  • #16
    Originally posted by Groundhog View Post
    The solution to the issue is to look up the barrack standing orders in relation to issuing fuel. I'd be prepared to bet that every barracks is the same and the BOS is responsible for doing so after duty hours.
    I bet you 200 Euro that your wrong

    in fact, when I win, I will donate it straight to IMO
    Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
    Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
    The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
    The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
    The best lack all conviction, while the worst
    Are full of passionate intensity.

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    • #17
      who knows what them drivers do be thinking

      what with all the fumes the are inhaling

      and all the breakfast roles they do be eating
      Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
      Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
      The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
      The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
      The best lack all conviction, while the worst
      Are full of passionate intensity.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by hedgehog View Post
        I bet you 200 Euro that your wrong

        in fact, when I win, I will donate it straight to IMO
        I was never good at gambling.

        Originally posted by kermit
        Hedgehog: That still doesn't explain why he would have given them the keys if they were PDF.
        It would probably be more accurate to say he would have given them the keys if they were PDF that he knew. I wouldn't expect to walk into a foreign barracks and be given the keys of the fuel pump. In fact I would refuse them if they were offered because if the POL account was down by a litre the outsider would automatically get the blame.
        Last edited by Groundhog; 29 September 2007, 13:51.
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        • #19
          In fact I would refuse them if they were offered because if the POL account was down by a litre the outsider would automatically get the blame.
          exactly

          Maybe I am not wording this properly

          but I find this to be very much on the petulant recruit and A7 mode

          if the recruit gets a hard time its bullying

          if the RDF lad doesnt get his way its an anti RDF Bias

          you can bet your teste that very few of us have any bias twoards you lads
          Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
          Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
          The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
          The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
          The best lack all conviction, while the worst
          Are full of passionate intensity.

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          • #20
            Have to agree with some of this..always strikes me when a RDF guy doesn't get what he wants..its always because in his opinion it was because he was RDF..and not down to some thing that was even beyond the control of the PDF guy dealing with it.

            Inferiority complex.Get over it . If some has issued an instruction above your rank..it because they have the position to do so.You won't find any rule in anyones book that say that the RDF specifically should not have /or do something..it usually directed at persons without authourity un named rather than directedat the RDF.

            With the RE ORg the nature of the beast was changed..dosen't mean that the PDF are going to hand over the keys of the king dom just because some in the RDF feel that are on an equal footing.
            Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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            • #21
              Originally posted by hedgehog View Post
              You do realise that its not the local esso your going into.

              when the OS takes over in the evening, he is given the POL acount, he is told you have X litres of fuel. he must be able to account for every litre in the morning or pay the consequences.
              If he was to allow another person have access, then he has to bear the responsibility of that persons actions. (say the duty driver didnt mark it up properly- robbed it etc)
              I hope you are only saying this for the sake of debate otherwise I would find it amazing that you think that its too complicated for me to draw the keys and fill but its not too complicated for me to be the OS and fill everyone else!!! As I said before regularily the 2LSB OS at weekends is an RDF man.

              You know that didnt happen- I am on the BOS Panel and I wouldnt interfere with POL and I doubt any other BOS would unless he is in Tpt,
              Maybe he was , I really don't know.

              But according to Capt Z of 2LSB the BOS has the authority to release the POL keys if the 2LSB OS is "unavailable"

              So I think one of you should look up the SOP but I think that Capt Z should actually know what it says. Let us know who gets the €200

              Yes I can see Comdt X- getting a phone call from an RDF NCO in realition to this,
              he clearly thought, WOW I can detail one of my Privates twho is in charge of my POL account o give over the POL keys to a RDF NCO, who is not accountable- this RDF lad could if he wants feck up the account, but hey he is an RDF NCO, and who cares about my career

              Or I could go back to reading the paper and pretend that he was passing under a tunnel and he lost Phone comms

              Do you know this happened- or is this another Army myth- if it happened PM me some of the dates
              Comdt X was CO of 2LSB and 11Tpt. I am sure if you ask in 2LSB you will find that it is no myth.

              I can only speculate but the reason for taking the call might have been because he detailed 4 pte and 3 NCOs, from an RDF unit that he was the CO of, to do a job. Namely fill vehicles. His orders were being delayed by a pte who was also under his command. He was pissed off that vehicles that were to be handed over clean and full of fuel were sitting in CBB because some pte knew better than his own CO.

              An NCO had a good laugh as a Private who was simply doing his job is chastised

              wow

              Man Management skill are in abundance here
              I didn't say this and I can see not advantage in it. I think in general it would serve only to promote the US and THEM attitude that many people are trying to remove


              Originally posted by hptmurphy View Post
              With the RE ORg the nature of the beast was changed..dosen't mean that the PDF are going to hand over the keys of the king dom just because some in the RDF feel that are on an equal footing.
              And thats what I am talking about. There are occasions that we should be considered on an equal footing. When it comes to infantry and weaponary tactics I will be first to admit that the likelyhood of an RDF man being equal to a PDF man is slim. But when I comes to tpt and tpt mgt in and out of the military structure there are many that do know their stuff.
              As I ask earlier when Hedgie talks about the complexities of the POL. How is it more complicated for us to fill a vehicle and do the paper work than be the OS incharge of the same?

              The incident is not really that relavant. What happened happened but instead of everyone learning and moving on it happens again.

              If I go to CBB and look for CQ Hedgehog should I expect to get the run around because I am wearing the wrong colour hat?
              And If said CQ gets ainstruction from the Bn CO to detail me to go to another company for what ever should a pte in that company assist or resist?

              The only time that I say "its because I am RDF(FCA) is when thats what I am told.
              I POL case pte X actually said "F**koff I don't give keys to you lot" and when asked were the OS was replied "How the F should I know, he's off some where". So I am not just crying discrimination because I did not get my own way. In fact I am not even crying discrimination. I am simply saying many people believe that we must work together to improve the lot of everyone. This sort of event has to be ironed out.
              Last edited by DeV; 1 October 2007, 18:49.
              Without supplies no army is brave.

              —Frederick the Great,

              Instructions to his Generals, 1747

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              • #22
                I POL case pte X actually said "F**koff I don't give keys to you lot" and when asked were the OS was replied "How the F should I know, he's off some where".
                Thats just an attitude problem in general and lack of manners..no reorg is going to change that!

                Did You say please?
                Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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                • #23
                  We always say please.

                  And sometimes the lad is new and doesn't know me and like HH/GH suggests says "Sorry mate I am only the pte. OS gone to the jacks so you'll have to wait". This answer is fine as you then sit and watch the box knowing the OS is about.
                  Without supplies no army is brave.

                  —Frederick the Great,

                  Instructions to his Generals, 1747

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by luchi View Post
                    We always say please.

                    And sometimes the lad is new and doesn't know me and like HH/GH suggests says "Sorry mate I am only the pte. OS gone to the jacks so you'll have to wait". This answer is fine as you then sit and watch the box knowing the OS is about.
                    simple answer... no petrol no drive... let the people who get paid more than you take the stress and you sit back.. and wait...

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                    • #25
                      Maybe he was , I really don't know.

                      But according to Capt Z of 2LSB the BOS has the authority to release the POL keys if the 2LSB OS is "unavailable"

                      So I think one of you should look up the SOP but I think that Capt Z should actually know what it says.

                      Care to place a wad of spondulix on that statement,

                      If your right I will give 200 Euros to IMO

                      If I am right you hand over the dosh.

                      lets pick an independent observer

                      The bet being that the BOS in CBB has the authority to hand over the POL keys if 2 LSB OS is unavailable.
                      Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
                      Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
                      The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
                      The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
                      The best lack all conviction, while the worst
                      Are full of passionate intensity.

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                      • #26
                        I haven't been Overseas yet....... That whore of a Chief Of Staff won't let me, because I'm RDF. I bet if I was PDF he'd let me

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                        • #27
                          NOt meaning to be pedantic but...
                          I did say I don't know and since you and GH are in a position to check these things I said you should.
                          I also would hope that the 2LSB tech officer has some knowledge of the extent of the BOS's remit.

                          Or maybe he was being spacific to the nights circumstances as you pointed out earlier maybe on that night the BOS was a tpt Sgt. I don't know what difference that would make but then I am only RDF.
                          Also I do not know what constitutes "unavailable"

                          But if you say that the only one with the authority to open the pump is the 2LSB OS I believe you. JUst PM me with the reference of the SOP/RO so I can quote you.

                          I notice that Dev moderated post 21. I didn't think there was "sensitive info" there but obviously using fact to dispell the notion of myth was too close to the edge. I hope it hasn't lost any meaning
                          Last edited by luchi; 2 October 2007, 01:22.
                          Without supplies no army is brave.

                          —Frederick the Great,

                          Instructions to his Generals, 1747

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                          • #28
                            I haven't been Overseas yet....... That whore of a Chief Of Staff won't let me, because I'm RDF. I bet if I was PDF he'd let me
                            Differnt issue not up to the CoS..I'm sure he would be more than delighted to letyou go overseas and ease his budgets..except legislation won't let him.

                            ...em I'd reconsider calling the CoS a 'whore' I reckon he still possess's the ability to kick the shite out of you!
                            Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by luchi View Post
                              I notice that Dev moderated post 21. I didn't think there was "sensitive info" there but obviously using fact to dispell the notion of myth was too close to the edge. I hope it hasn't lost any meaning
                              Past experience of which you won't beware of.

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                              • #30
                                hi there
                                A couple of sub-points seem to have sprung up here: a guy telling another to eff off, cos yer only baggers,etc needs a toe in the hole.It's just plain unwarranted rudeness, regardless of uniform or rank and it just radiates chippiness...as for the DROPs vehicles, if all are needed for the next day, then surely a mechanism exists to let the RDF guys know that the vehicles are unavailable, well in advance, so that they aren't wasting their time looking for them.I believe that new-fangled comms device, the telephone, is readily available, even in the Transport Duty Office.It wouldn't cost anyone any sweat to ring the RDF unit OC and let him know that the vehicles are wanted for the next day and are not allowed out to play....I'd wager the BOS can dispense fuel keys or any other keys, if the situation warrants it, ie, Mary Harney needs to be transported to open an offy somewhere and the helicopter is locked away for the night.....as for the wandering orderly sgt., seize him warmly by the neck and suggest he keeps his phone switched on or else he can keep the BOS company or the Guard company, so that his desire to play cards/watch porn/do a nixer on the Minister's time (heaven forbid!!)doesn't interfere with any RDFers god-given right ot play with Big Army toys.
                                regards
                                GttC

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