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    If I have read it right, the Defence spending estimates for 2008, as published today on the Dept of Finance website, shows RDF pay dropping from €12.5 million to €10 million. A drop of 17%.

    The question is has the PDF stolen this €2.5 million off the RDF or will the RDF get it back in other ways?:confused:

  • #2
    The RDF arent there to spend it.


    Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Goldie fish View Post
      The RDF arent there to spend it.
      Thats about the best answer to that question anyway.
      "Attack your attic with a Steyr....as seen on the Late Late Show..."

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      • #4
        And its worse than that really.

        There is a promise of a substantial increase in grat plus the increase in line pay and yet the total cost is reduced.

        From what I heard locally there are a bucket load of spare mandays that couldn't be used up no matter how units tried. So next year they will not be there!!
        Without supplies no army is brave.

        —Frederick the Great,

        Instructions to his Generals, 1747

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        • #5
          What were, say, last years actual wages vs projected, seeing as this year aint over yet?
          "Attack your attic with a Steyr....as seen on the Late Late Show..."

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          • #6
            http://www.finance.gov.ie/documents/...08/PBO2008.pdf

            Post & Telecomms - 10%
            Office Premises Expenses - 35%
            Consultancy Services - 36%
            VFM & policy reviews +9%
            RDF Pay - 17%
            Compensation -18%
            Coiste an Asgard - 9%
            Less Appropriations in Aid - 23%

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            • #7
              Nice to see you're all paying attention after me posting them the last few years.

              I joined in the dog days when only a certain amount of people could do 1 week's camp and only the anointed few could do more [ 1986 ] . I'm sure some of you remember that. Now we are swung around
              "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

              "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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              • #8
                Originally posted by DeV View Post
                http://www.finance.gov.ie/documents/...08/PBO2008.pdf

                Post & Telecomms - 10%
                Office Premises Expenses - 35%
                Consultancy Services - 36%
                VFM & policy reviews +9%
                RDF Pay - 17%
                Compensation -18%
                Coiste an Asgard - 9%
                Less Appropriations in Aid - 23%
                A breakbown of the percentages is as follows


                Defence

                2008 Pre Budget Estimates [all figures are €1,000
                2007 2008 Diff %
                A Admin
                A1 Salaries 18721 19226 505 2.698%
                A2 Travel & Subsistance 450 449 -1 -0.222%
                A3 Incidental Exp 552 564 12 2.174%
                A4 Postal & Telecom 816 731 -85 -10.417%
                A5 Officer machinery 2208 2348 140 6.341%
                A6 Office Premises 1681 1099 -582 -34.622%
                A7 Consultancy 50 32 -18 -36.000%
                A8 Value for Money + Reviews 137 150 13 9.489%
                ======= ======= ======= =======
                A 24615 24599 -16 -0.065%
                Defence Forces
                B PDF Pay 460194 480677 20483 4.451%
                C PDF Allowance 56788 58766 1978 3.483%
                D RDF Pay etc 12541 10459 -2082 -16.602%
                E Chaplains & Officiating Clergy 1260 1308 48 3.810%
                F Civilians attch to units 40346 38802 -1544 -3.827%
                G Defence Equip 40955 41815 860 2.100%
                H Air Corps Equip 39125 39947 822 2.101%
                I Military Transport 11530 11772 242 2.099%
                J Naval Service equipment 13330 13610 280 2.101%
                K Barrack Exp 17949 17326 -623 -3.471%
                L Building 40246 40554 308 0.765%
                M Ordnance, Clothing & Catering 18679 19146 467 2.500%
                N Comm & Info Tech 10046 9996 -50 -0.498%
                O Military Training 3731 3809 78 2.091%
                P Travel & Freight 4941 5045 104 2.105%
                Q Medical Expenses 3230 3298 68 2.105%
                R Lands 1181 1205 24 2.032%
                S Equitation 998 1019 21 2.104%
                T Compensation 7638 6278 -1360 -17.806%
                U Misc Expenditure 3591 3570 -21 -0.585%
                ======= ======= ======= =======
                788299 808402 20103 2.550%

                V EU Defence 1258 1284 26 2.067%
                W Civil Defence Board 6099 6248 149 2.443%
                X Irish Red Cross 931 951 20 2.148%
                Y Coiste An Asgard 879 803 -76 -8.646%
                Z Appropriation in Add -24951 -19321 5630 -22.564%
                ======= ======= ======= =======
                772515 798367 25852 3.346%

                Total 797130 822966 25836 3.241%

                The breakdown by expenditure code will come early next year
                Last edited by Kieran Marum; 21 October 2007, 18:43.

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                • #9
                  Those the publication of the Estimates means it has been approved by Dept of Finance.

                  When I joined (c1998) if you got 2 weeks you were doing well, we had more bods on the ground. Now we can't give them away.

                  Believe it or not you still need your COs permission to do over 14 mandays.

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                  • #10
                    When I joined back in the dark ages(1988) you had to get your name in early to be sure you got one week camp. It was 1991 before the idea of going on a camp other than annual camp appeared, but even then you were lucky to get one week a year.
                    I have done much more than 14 days this year.


                    Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Kieran Marum View Post
                      X Irish Red Cross 931 951 20 2.148
                      Why does the Irish Red Cross get close to €1 million of the DF budget every year?

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                      • #12
                        Why indeed......


                        Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by boomer View Post
                          Why does the Irish Red Cross get close to €1 million of the DF budget every year?
                          Most Red Cross organisations worldwide have a wartime function (eg care of wounded & visiting POWs).

                          This is the only funding AFAIK that the Irish Red Cross get from the Government, just did a search of the Estimates and they aren't mentioned elsewhere.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by boomer View Post
                            Why does the Irish Red Cross get close to €1 million of the DF budget every year?
                            They don't. Thats the DoD budget.

                            Originally posted by Kieran Marum View Post
                            G Defence Equip 40955 41815 860 2.100
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                            • #15
                              [QUOTE=DeV;182835]Those the publication of the Estimates means it has been approved by Dept of Finance.

                              For reference the Accounts for the year ending 31st December 2005 can be seen on
                              http://www.audgen.gov.ie/documents/a...5_Accounts.pdf

                              see pages 306-314 [315-318 for Army Pensions]

                              Not only was there a plan but a review took place!!!!

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