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  • #16
    Its not cheap, its good value. Hopefully they will last nearly as long as the BAP.(40 years?)


    Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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    • #17
      Works out to €571 unit cost, RRP for a 9mm USP in Germany is €720+.
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      With 50,000 men getting killed a week, who's going to miss a pigeon?

      Guns don't kill people, bullets kill people.

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      • #18
        Having had a look at a civvy USP over the weekend, I can assure everyone that the holsters available from the store with fit it.
        "The dolphins were monkeys that didn't like the land, walked back to the water, went back from the sand."

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        • #19
          I'm glad I bought my holster from the store and not protac then...

          Oh wait...


          CRAP!


          Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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          • #20
            It was a USP 9mm Custom Sport whcih is as close to what they got as possible id say (guessing that they got the mil versipn of the USP9)
            Muzzle
            Lieutenant
            Last edited by Muzzle; 15 January 2007, 16:55.

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            • #21
              The Custom Sport has the same dimensions as the USP9.
              "The dolphins were monkeys that didn't like the land, walked back to the water, went back from the sand."

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              • #22
                Which holster from the store did you try it with?
                "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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                • #23
                  I tried it with the duty holster, but the internal dimensions of the drop-leg are identical.
                  "The dolphins were monkeys that didn't like the land, walked back to the water, went back from the sand."

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                  • #24
                    issue of pistols

                    I was just thinking with the new issue of pistols coming up, what can the RDF units expect to be issued ?

                    As the number of pistols is quite small and drivers and other such personnel in the PDF overseas are curenlty using styers, is it wise to issue such items to RDF.

                    I know this will be a hot topic but i just want to see what the general thought is on such matters.

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                    • #25
                      I was just thinking with the new issue of pistols coming up, what can the RDF units expect to be issued ?
                      The same as the PDF, I'd imagine, as the BAP's are being withdrawn on
                      a number of grounds, the obvious one being the age of the
                      weapons

                      As the number of pistols is quite small and drivers and other
                      such personnel in the PDF overseas are currently using Steyrs.
                      In the Cav, they have started issuing short barrels for the Steyrs so that they can
                      be manoeuvred through the hatches of the armoured cars. As featured a few
                      months ago in An Cosantóir, in the article on 4 Cav Sqn.The primary weapon
                      of armoured crewmen the world over is still the pistol though.

                      is it wise to issue such items to RDF?
                      Please don't tell me this is a PDF bashing RDF comment.

                      I know this will be a hot topic but i just want to see what the general thought is on such matters.
                      Stnadardisation is cheaper all around.
                      One uniform
                      One weapon, etc...
                      "Well, stone me! We've had cocaine, bribery and Arsenal scoring two goals at home. But just when you thought there were truly no surprises left in football, Vinnie Jones turns out to be an international player!" (Jimmy Greaves)!"

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                      • #26
                        The P8 variant of the USP is the one adapted for the Bundeswehr (and is I assume the model we are getting) it has a slightly different safety.
                        USP with standard safety: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:HK_USP-CT.jpg
                        P8 with modified safety: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Km2000.jpg

                        From th HK website
                        HECKLER & KOCH P8 - THE SERVICE PISTOL OF THE FEDERAL GERMAN ARMED FORCES

                        Upon exhaustive comparative trials, the Federal German Armed Forces selected the P8 as the best weapon and adopted it as their service weapon.

                        It differs from the USP particularly by the following features:

                        * P8 – specific arrangement of the safety and de-cocking lever
                        * Transparent magazine with special dust protection
                        * Barrel with lands-and grooves profile
                        The real Jack
                        Non Temetis Messor
                        Last edited by The real Jack; 3 February 2007, 20:55.
                        Everyone who's ever loved you was wrong.

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                        • #27
                          Good phot of the new pistol on the df intranet in the d trg page.Also afaik the Infantry weapons wing are in the process of writing the new manual for same thats why it hasnt been issued yet.
                          "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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                          • #28
                            New manual? How hard can it be?

                            "Put bullets in gun. Rack slide. Move from 'S' to 'F'. Aim at target. Pull trigger"

                            NTM
                            Driver, tracks, troops.... Drive and adjust!!

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by California Tanker View Post
                              New manual? How hard can it be?

                              "Put bullets in gun. Rack slide. Move from 'S' to 'F'. Aim at target. Pull trigger"

                              NTM
                              Well to be fair, double action and the decocker will be a big change for many who have only used the BAP.

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                              • #30
                                New manual? How hard can it be?

                                "Put bullets in gun. Rack slide. Move from 'S' to 'F'. Aim at target. Pull trigger"
                                Us lads are a bit different

                                the Manual for us informs us of the capabilities of the weapon

                                The newer type manuals also tend to impart doctrinal policy

                                on how and when to use the weapon

                                maybe we are a bit dumb, but wouldnt you rather we were called dumb

                                than ever have to say

                                Dude this means jail
                                Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
                                Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
                                The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
                                The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
                                The best lack all conviction, while the worst
                                Are full of passionate intensity.

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