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Its not cheap, its good value. Hopefully they will last nearly as long as the BAP.(40 years?)
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Works out to €571 unit cost, RRP for a 9mm USP in Germany is €720+.Comment
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Having had a look at a civvy USP over the weekend, I can assure everyone that the holsters available from the store with fit it."The dolphins were monkeys that didn't like the land, walked back to the water, went back from the sand."Comment
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I'm glad I bought my holster from the store and not protac then...
Oh wait...
CRAP!
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It was a USP 9mm Custom Sport whcih is as close to what they got as possible id say (guessing that they got the mil versipn of the USP9)Last edited by Muzzle; 15 January 2007, 16:55.Comment
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The Custom Sport has the same dimensions as the USP9."The dolphins were monkeys that didn't like the land, walked back to the water, went back from the sand."Comment
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Which holster from the store did you try it with?"Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.Comment
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I tried it with the duty holster, but the internal dimensions of the drop-leg are identical."The dolphins were monkeys that didn't like the land, walked back to the water, went back from the sand."Comment
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issue of pistols
I was just thinking with the new issue of pistols coming up, what can the RDF units expect to be issued ?
As the number of pistols is quite small and drivers and other such personnel in the PDF overseas are curenlty using styers, is it wise to issue such items to RDF.
I know this will be a hot topic but i just want to see what the general thought is on such matters.Comment
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The same as the PDF, I'd imagine, as the BAP's are being withdrawn onI was just thinking with the new issue of pistols coming up, what can the RDF units expect to be issued ?
a number of grounds, the obvious one being the age of the
weapons
In the Cav, they have started issuing short barrels for the Steyrs so that they canAs the number of pistols is quite small and drivers and other
such personnel in the PDF overseas are currently using Steyrs.
be manoeuvred through the hatches of the armoured cars. As featured a few
months ago in An Cosantóir, in the article on 4 Cav Sqn.The primary weapon
of armoured crewmen the world over is still the pistol though.
Please don't tell me this is a PDF bashing RDF comment.is it wise to issue such items to RDF?
Stnadardisation is cheaper all around.I know this will be a hot topic but i just want to see what the general thought is on such matters.
One uniform
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The P8 variant of the USP is the one adapted for the Bundeswehr (and is I assume the model we are getting) it has a slightly different safety.
USP with standard safety: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:HK_USP-CT.jpg
P8 with modified safety: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Km2000.jpg
From th HK website
HECKLER & KOCH P8 - THE SERVICE PISTOL OF THE FEDERAL GERMAN ARMED FORCES
Upon exhaustive comparative trials, the Federal German Armed Forces selected the P8 as the best weapon and adopted it as their service weapon.
It differs from the USP particularly by the following features:
* P8 – specific arrangement of the safety and de-cocking lever
* Transparent magazine with special dust protection
* Barrel with lands-and grooves profileLast edited by The real Jack; 3 February 2007, 20:55.Everyone who's ever loved you was wrong.Comment
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Good phot of the new pistol on the df intranet in the d trg page.Also afaik the Infantry weapons wing are in the process of writing the new manual for same thats why it hasnt been issued yet.
"Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.Comment
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New manual? How hard can it be?
"Put bullets in gun. Rack slide. Move from 'S' to 'F'. Aim at target. Pull trigger"
NTMDriver, tracks, troops.... Drive and adjust!!Comment
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Well to be fair, double action and the decocker will be a big change for many who have only used the BAP.Originally posted by California Tanker View PostComment
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Us lads are a bit differentNew manual? How hard can it be?
"Put bullets in gun. Rack slide. Move from 'S' to 'F'. Aim at target. Pull trigger"
the Manual for us informs us of the capabilities of the weapon
The newer type manuals also tend to impart doctrinal policy
on how and when to use the weapon
maybe we are a bit dumb, but wouldnt you rather we were called dumb
than ever have to say
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