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  • Do PDF hate RDF?

    well do they/you?judging by some of the comments i have seen on various forums this would appear to be true,applying to a minority.also,our NCO's move us off when PDF personnel come in,which i hate doing!but is this done because PDF dont like us?
    so,do you hate RDF personnel,if so,why??

    btw,i joined RDF for the chance to soldier and to get a look at army life,not for the money(which is laughable when you hear that!).
    ive nothing but respect for PDF and id like to know if they see us as a bunch of sandbags or whether they have no issues at all with us

    eroo
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    Your NCO's are pussys! They do it because they think the PDF will laugh at them for doing what they do!

    Why should PDF hate RDF???
    They don't even know themselves! They were told to by their NCO's in recruit training and do so because of that!

    They are also trying to make themselves feel better! They wanted to be soldiers too, once upon a time! They are jealous that you can be a soldier when and because you want to be, not because you have to! You can do what they do nearly as good as them. Bet they can't build a roof or design roads in their spare time!
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    • #3
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      • #4
        No we dont

        in fact I would like to demonstrate my love to some of your more busty non ginger FEMALE

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        • #5
          Originally posted by eroo View Post
          well do they/you?judging by some of the comments i have seen on various forums this would appear to be true,applying to a minority.also,our NCO's move us off when PDF personnel come in,which i hate doing!but is this done because PDF dont like us?
          so,do you hate RDF personnel,if so,why??
          I wouldn't say hate but respect is probably an issue. Probably some do and some don't. In my experience certainlt some members of the PDF display a total lack of respect for the RDF. But I don't understant the moving you off thing?

          btw,i joined RDF for the chance to soldier and to get a look at army life,not for the money(which is laughable when you hear that!).
          ive nothing but respect for PDF and id like to know if they see us as a bunch of sandbags or whether they have no issues at all with us

          eroo
          Oh no. Don't say that. Everyone knows the money is vital to keep people interested..............................

          Originally posted by Snacker View Post
          Your NCO's are pussys! They do it because they think the PDF will laugh at them for doing what they do!

          Why should PDF hate RDF???
          They don't even know themselves! They were told to by their NCO's in recruit training and do so because of that!
          Why would they not have respect for the RDF?
          I could give a few reasons but I would be best comming from the PDF guys.

          They are also trying to make themselves feel better! They wanted to be soldiers too, once upon a time! They are jealous that you can be a soldier when and because you want to be, not because you have to! You can do what they do nearly as good as them. Bet they can't build a roof or design roads in their spare time!
          What exactly ar eyou trying to say?

          The PDF don't hate us RDF but are jellous because we can do their job part-time but they can't do ours?:confused:

          Originally posted by hedgehog View Post
          No we dont

          in fact I would like to demonstrate my love to some of your more busty non ginger FEMALE

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          Call yourself a soldier!!!!

          I bet you don't notice the ginger if the busty is right!!!!!!!!!
          Go on admit it!!!!!!
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          • #6
            When I was on a weeks duties in Kilbride(of all places to be dumped for a week) with PDF I found the PDF lads and officers to be as respectful to us as they were to each other. They always chatted with us about training and what-not but they never really let us forget that we were the sandbaggers. By which they often referred to us but it never bothered anybody...

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            • #7
              Originally posted by eroo View Post
              so,do you hate RDF personnel,if so,why??
              No. Why would I?

              The Sandbag thing is usually the kind of slagging that happens all the time. If there weren't RDF around PDF lads would be slagging somebody else. Officers, Cavalrymen, female soldiers, People with red hair, Leeds supporters and the last fellow that went absent off barrack guard. That sort of thing. RDF people should be less sensitive and slag back.

              Of course you do have the odd muppet who does hate the RDF. You will invariably find that he is the most useless heap of sh!t in his unit.

              Let mealso take this opportunity to dispel teh myth that PDF NCOs indoctrinate recruits to despise the RDF. I've never heard it happen.
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              • #8
                cool.i dont know what it is that gives us that mentality!maybe PDF and RDF should mix more??
                btw those who voted 'yes' could you please say why?
                i understand why some might dislike us because of some muppets who just cant soldier,but to be fair i havent experienced anything bad.on my first night,we were in the gym and about 100 PDF came in before leaving for Kosovo.id expected to hear the odd 'ohh fca' sort of stuff,but nothing!one or two did shoot us terrible looks but i just kept my head up and walked out!i dont know how to explain it,maybe its because of all history of 'free clothing assoc' or 'fat c**ts assoc' that when you join you feel inferior to PDF!?
                anyway,ive nothing but respect for PDF and im glad to know ye have some for us!
                eroo
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Groundhog View Post
                  Let mealso take this opportunity to dispel teh myth that PDF NCOs indoctrinate recruits to despise the RDF. I've never heard it happen.

                  I have!!
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by luchi View Post
                    What exactly ar eyou trying to say?

                    The PDF don't hate us RDF but are jellous because we can do their job part-time but they can't do ours?:confused:
                    Albeit not to the same standard, but yes!

                    Also jealous that RDF can opt in and out of things! Saturday guard? Week in the Glen!
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Snacker View Post
                      I have!!
                      Well if you have, you heard it from an unprofessional NCO.

                      Originally posted by Snacker View Post
                      Also jealous that RDF can opt in and out of things! Saturday guard? Week in the Glen!
                      I'd also like to dispel the myth that the PDF is jealous of the RDF. There isn't anything to be jealous of. By and large PDF people are in the DF because that's what they want to do. Any person that doesn't like the PDF can leave. Opting out is the easiest thing in the world. Just pay your money to the Minister and you'll be a civvy in days. After 12 years you can leave at anytime with a hefty cheque from the Army for your trouble.

                      And the notion that a member of the PDF cannot do a civvy job is ridiculous. Personally, I qualified as an electrician before joining the PDF. I couldn't do a mechanics job of course, but then your average mechanic can't do either of mine.
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                      • #12
                        Real soldiers dont get to "opt out" of anything.They do what they are told to do.PDF are not jealous of the rdf.Some are distrustfull of them as they know that the level of training ,in general,in the rdf is not as high a standard as the pdf.Not the rdf's fault but a fact nonetheless.The training when i was in the old fca was a joke.Too much emphasis on shooting teams and marching and PP barry cups.Not enough tactics etc.
                        I am glad to say that is slowly changing,but there are still alot of older officers and senior ncos's in the rdf who are slow to change and cant embrace new ideas.
                        I have been involved with training the integrated rdf since it kicked off.Anyone who could keep the standards expected is still there and any dead wood is gone.Those who are left,even though they arent pdf and dont have the same experience that we do,have my respect.And acceptance comes from being seen to be usefull and reliablem, not "opting out"
                        So in short no.I for one dont hate the rdf.Some pdf think they are a waste of time and resources but they are entitled to there opinions,right or wrong.
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                        • #13
                          when i joined the FCA there was a god like complex about the PDF from the FCA. a lot of what was described earlier....leaving rooms if PDF came in, etc. absolute panic if it was even heard there was ARW somewhere in the barracks or camp

                          the reality was, however, that we had excellent cadre staff with a huge amount of experience and patience in passing knowledge to us. any time they brought in other PDF to help us out or instruct they too were excellent and highly professional in their approach to us, although these occasions were few and far between.

                          when i left to join the PDF i found that although there was limited exposure to the reserves the consensus was generally good willed towards reservists. of course they got plenty of slagging off...but no more than PDF from other battalions or corps!

                          nowadays with the integration and integrated platoons in barracks i see more tolerance and acceptance of the reserve. one common thing is a reservist is always given the chance to prove themselves. if they try hard and take on board what they are being shown everybody has time for them and commends them for their effort. if not then they only lower the estimation people see in them themselves.

                          in my experience...it is the reserve that promote the idea they are hated by the PDF much more than the other way round. whether it is ignorance, fear or a lack of confidence in their abilities i don't know. that's something for the reserve to address!
                          Last edited by X-RayOne; 31 October 2007, 17:47.
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                          • #14
                            No the PDF don't hate us. Do they respect us? No not really but in all honesty I can't blame them. Most have next to no contact with us and all they have to go on is stories. And as with all stories the bad ones go further.

                            Most PDF personnel I have had direct contact with treat us fairly. We put in the effort and so will they. We would even surprise some now and again. But then along comes a muppet and sends us back to square one all over again.

                            Its one of the things that really bothers me about this organisation. Something that I think could be remedied by tougher longer initial training but that is a topic for another time.
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                            • #15
                              Vastly expand the BTC I say!

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